Bots in LYR

[Phoenix13]

There have got to be a lot of bots set to expand LYR territory (in a bad way) by 5C players. We have Federation and Imperial players all opposing it but can't keep up with the handful of 5C infiltrators in LYR and it has to be due to bots. FDev really needs to take a look at this. One fix is obviously making PP open only so players can interdict the bots or at least mess with their trajectories/programming, but this is not a conversation about that. FDev, is there anything in the works to help rectify it, whether it be programs looking for bots or making pp open only, or something else?

It really sucks that a player group can destroy a Power in Powerplay by doing this and expanding to Negative CC systems. Even if that group leaves, it can take months or longer to undo that damage.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

Any proof of these 'bots' or is it just hackusations and a reason to post about mode changes?

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

Add a captcha for docking.

Anyone getting it correct is a bot.

 

[Speedcuffs]

Open Only Does not fix bot problems!


Many, many threads discussing this.

 

[GunnerBill]

5C players?

Speaking in tongues does not help.

 

[Mohrgan]

5C players?

Speaking in tongues does not help.

5C = Fifth Column. Players working within a group to do the same group harm. It is a favorite bogey-man of the Open Only crowd. And, it has nothing to do with Bots, except that it is in the lexicon of fear mongering brought to bear for the OO cause.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Proof required. Credit where it's due, the Alliance bois have spent thousands of man-hours looking for proof.

Have you directly contacted FD, OP? These are serious accusations.

I'm not defending bots, definitely not. But this isn't a matter that any side should take lightly.

 

[GunnerBill]

5C = Fifth Column. Players working within a group to do the same group harm. It is a favorite bogey-man of the Open Only crowd. And, it has nothing to do with Bots, except that it is in the lexicon of fear mongering brought to bear for the OO cause.

Thanks! I just figured that

Damn those spies, reds under the beds etc... where's my tinfoil hat??

 

[besieger]

Proof has been discovered and handed to frontier to deal with, this IS a real threat and the bots are relatively advanced. those who claim Open Only PP is not a fix are wrong, we could then interdict and prevent them harming the faction... Botting in Elite is nothing new and has been a thing for years.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

Will await FD review if people have handed them evidence, not some random OP on the forums who claims to know.Open only will not fix botting, those suggesting it as ever just have the open everything agenda to push, nothing to see here.

 

[Mohrgan]

Proof has been discovered and handed to frontier to deal with, this IS a real threat and the bots are relatively advanced. those who claim Open Only PP is not a fix are wrong, we could then interdict and prevent them harming the faction... Botting in Elite is nothing new and has been a thing for years.

With the operative word being: 'Could'. You 'could' also miss every Bot and affect nothing. Or, you 'could' destroy a Bot that wasn't, and affect nothing. It doesn't really matter, the idea serves it's purposes, offering another overwrought attempt at fear mongering to promote anything OO.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Open Powerplay was part of the proposal that in combination with other changes proposed would control the issues of 5C.

 

[MottiKhan]

I'm not sure about bots, but I can't see expanding LYR to be a bad thing. 15% discount available in more systems can only be a positive. Other than that, the BH bonus for ALD is worth expanding. There are probably others, but I can't think of any.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Proof has been discovered and handed to frontier to deal with, this IS a real threat and the bots are relatively advanced. those who claim Open Only PP is not a fix are wrong, we could then interdict and prevent them harming the faction... Botting in Elite is nothing new and has been a thing for years.

Oh I quite agree, OOPP would go a long way.

I just prefer to hear from FD rather than a random poster. If he has proof, great. But the forum is the wrong channel.

 

[Para Handy]

Maybe it is actually F D working to keep LYR space viable since there seems to be concerted efforts by player groups to diminish LYR. (Presumably the PGs are seeking to deprive people of the 15% discount?)

 

[Rubbernuke]

Here is a good source of info on what was investigated: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...ripting_and_automation_an_investigation_into/

 

[Rubbernuke]

Maybe it is actually F D working to keep LYR space viable since there seems to be concerted efforts by player groups to diminish LYR. (Presumably the PGs are seeking to deprive people of the 15% discount?)

Its one thing to expand a Power, its another to keep that expansion sustainable. If you want LYR to succeed you can't simply push out to any old system.

 

[Unknown Zombie]

I'm not sure about bots, but I can't see expanding LYR to be a bad thing. 15% discount available in more systems can only be a positive. Other than that, the BH bonus for ALD is worth expanding. There are probably others, but I can't think of any.

Because it's not sustainable. It takes an amount of CC to control each system, and you have a limited amount of CC. If you control too many you get a CC deficit which means systems that you control can "rebel" and reject your governance. As cool as it would be to have 15% discount in half the bubble, it is not possible.

 

[Vedmo]

Here's the bad thing about forcing these bots into open, I don't know if my ego can handle getting beat in pvp by a Type-9 bot.

 

[Rubbernuke]

The crazy irony of this thread is that Bots were found out... get this...

because they were in open mode

I know, crazy right? So, in this case you could have destroyed it, or made it log on you. Surely that has to actually illustrate a tiny, tiny bit why it would be a good thing to have Open PP?