Boycotting community events

[Imperial Guard]

I think there are some folks that would like nothing more for a full autopilot that takes them from station to station and all they need do is click a couple of buttons and watch the cash add up on their spreadsheet.

Maybe they are the folks that prefer the Football Manager style of game to PES or FIFA.

Or just see a car as a functional means to get from A to B and derive no pleasure at all from the actual driving experience.

They are all kinds out there of course.

 

[Apos]

This is great! People keep complaining they want emergent gameplay and these guys created it. They are making space dangerous for a change. Maybe next CG people will form protection teams. Maybe a form of bounty on CODE members or the leader himself. I see this as an exciting opportunity. I really don't understand why people playing in open think they should be untouchable for any reason or that some kind of role play has to take place by all parties. If you like the CG's to be a role play experience then create one just like they did. I hope we see more of this type of thing. An unexpected disruption makes the game infinitely more interesting. No matter what the motive of the person on the other side of the internet is, you can turn it around on your side if you chose to.

No, you don't get it. It's not emergent gameplay if it doesn't pay millions of credits! Which is why noone bothered hunting down the CODE members. Selling scrap in solo/private was infinitely more fun and rewarding! Especially rewarding, we're talking about huge profits here.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

And can you state that message?

Because their stated message has been absent from the discussion all this time.

More people going into solo for next CG is not a down side? More people going into solo for PvP pirates is not a downside?

I wasn't offended, I just fail to see the irony. And by now including "fame" I'm guessing you do too.

Of course they're allowed. But if they do, it's also hypocritical.

I love politics in the game, but there isn't any here as far as I can see.


And those who are on the fence about Open/Solo with your experiences will now turn to mode switching. So I hope you don't like mode switching on a personal level, and don't mind when others do.

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See? As individuals, you guys are the best

Say hello to Majin! I know he has the hots for me.

Others can mode switch if they want, it is how FD made the game for them. Also, someone doing one questionable thing, and claiming it is for a noble cause, sounds political to me.

 

[SnowyNI]

I think there are some folks that would like nothing more for a full autopilot that takes them from station to station and all they need do is click a couple of buttons and watch the cash add up on their spreadsheet.

Maybe they are the folks that prefer the Football Manager style of game to PES or FIFA.

Or just see a car as a functional means to get from A to B and derive no pleasure at all from the actual driving experience.

They are all kinds out there of course.

Nothing wrong with footy manager! pfft!

 

[GluttonyFang]

Piracy, by its very definition, is gain at the expense of others. You know that your shenanigans actively spoil others enjoyment. At least be man enough to admit it

Trading is people exploiting high demand and selling items at above average rate to gain profit at the expense of people overpaying.

Bounty Hunting is people exploiting the current established system of law to justify their murder and reap profit from other people's lives.

Mining is the robbing of natural resources of the world, then refer to trading again.

Exploring can lead to the discovery of civilization and life forms and lead to their doom or lead to our doom.

See what I did there?

 

[biohazard15]

I dont use reddit, wouldnt know where to look. Regardless, if the answer is indeed "because we're pirates" then indirectly you have indeed set out to spoil others fun.

Piracy, by its very definition, is gain at the expense of others. You know that your shenanigans actively spoil others enjoyment. At least be man enough to admit it

Basically they're doing this because they don't like that Hutton CG doesn't give them an opporunity to profit from robbing the traders. So they just moved on being terrorists.
A REAL pirate would never resort to such actions - because there's no profit from that.
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Let's say if there was a CG centered on hauling Imp slaves - no illegal goods, just haul them to station X in Imperial space. And let's say that some players (let's call them abolitionists) are working to prevent slave haulers from reaching station X, stating that they're against any kinds of slavery. At the first sight, this is the same thing that CODE doing right now; but at the second, it's an actual political activism - they have a rather solid platform to make out their statements. Unlike CODE, who just state "we don't like this CG because it's useless to us, so we will try to ruin it".

 

[Apos]

I think there are some folks that would like nothing more for a full autopilot that takes them from station to station and all they need do is click a couple of buttons and watch the cash add up on their spreadsheet.

Maybe they are the folks that prefer the Football Manager style of game to PES or FIFA.

Or just see a car as a functional means to get from A to B and derive no pleasure at all from the actual driving experience.

They are all kinds out there of course.

I'd say that people who play football manager are very much more aware of the possibilities of a game screwing with your just because it can.

PES and FIFA players are those who would restart their matches in manager until they win, because they feel entitled that their player should get them the league.

Quite the contrary, I'd say it's that group who would feel entitled to the game catering to their needs only.

 

[GluttonyFang]

You are Sir a bit hypocritical. I want to ruin your day but please don't call me names or hurt my feelings or I'll tell. You seem from your posts to be reasonably intelligent and pull quotes to prove this but then behave like an over privileged twonk who isn't getting his own way so cries to Nanny.

I do question your motives and motivation, but currently you have the right to play the way you do, but don't have the cajones to say you and your colleagues are killers/griefers, imo you make yourself look foolish. You may say that pirates and bucaneers weren't griefers but when 'civilised' society had enough the pirates where dealt with by Navies.

Could we therefore have community goals game code and your crews v everyone else. If you win then you get a legitimised warrant to play the murderous scum you are and if everyone else wins then the Empire and Federation send in Capital ships and battle fleets to deal with you? But I doubt that would be something you support.

Please understand that the post I responded to was responding to a different user, so basically I was defending another user. Also, I did not participate in the Hutton Operation whatsoever due to PP and Kumo Crew duty. Then I have already received various insults and have been ignoring them.

 

[Andovar]

Security forces already respond way too fast for regular piracy and PP piracy underming.

hmmm... that hasn't been my experience. I never felt any threat from NPC security, and they always seemed to take forever to get there to try and stop me.
Though I haven't been in the bubble for a couple months now, so I suppose things could have changed since then.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Basically they're doing this because they don't like that Hutton CG doesn't give them an opporunity to profit from robbing the traders. So they just moved on being terrorists.
A REAL pirate would never resort to such actions - because there's no profit from that.

Interpret it however you will.

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hmmm... that hasn't been my experience. I never felt any threat from NPC security, and they always seemed to take forever to get there to try and stop me.
Though I haven't been in the bubble for a couple months now, so I suppose things could have changed since then.

It's been the issue since 1.3 released.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Basically they're doing this because they don't like that Hutton CG doesn't give them an opporunity to profit from robbing the traders. So they just moved on being terrorists.
A REAL pirate would never resort to such actions - because there's no profit from that.
.
Let's say if there was a CG centered on hauling Imp slaves - no illegal goods, just haul them to station X in Imperial space. And let's say that some players (let's call them abolitionists) are working to prevent slave haulers from reaching station X, stating that they're against any kinds of slavery. At the first sight, this is the same thing that CODE doing right now; but at the second, it's an actual political activism - they have a rather solid platform to make out their statements. Unlike CODE, who just state "we don't like this CG because it's useless to us, so we will try to ruin it".

Well what if i decide to execute these immoral people for trading slaves? Seems a legitimate RP game decision. I wasn't doing anything wrong, just people trafficking! It is legal here!

 

[NeilF]

If anything the anti-social behavior is from some of the people here complaining saying that any play style unlike their own does not deserve to exist.

If that statement is aimed at me, I consider it the largest straw man I've seen in sometime...


...to be constructive... I'm entirely for murder and mayhem in ED. I want to see piracy get the attention it needs. I want to see stations being blockaded and conflict zones with CMDRs destroying each other left right and center.

The problem is at the moment, some individuals are seemingly role playing a game that does not exist in ED. When I see a CMDR fly into Hutton, declare there's a blockade in place (or something like that), and then proceed to simply try and ram any other CMDRs there to destruction, you'll have to bear with me if I question what are they actually achieving? If a CMDR simply lands on a platform and blocks it to prevent other CMDRs using it for hours (in OPEN) as part of some activity that truly is only being role played, again, you'll have to accept my confusion over the behaviour.

The game does not offer the mechanics to carry out what is intended (a blockade in this case?). All that can be carried out is causing mindless murder or the aggravation of other player, in this case by using loopholes in the games mechanics. And yes, they are loopholes. A CMDR turning up day after day, to ram CMDRs to death over and over, and the game does what to deter this behaviour? It ignores it over and over again?


Now, as I've said numerous times, I'm fine with murder and mayhem in the game. I'd love to see better and deeper mechanics to permit more of it. I want to see groups attempt interesting things, and if that means destroying other CMDRs for a (true) reason, great! BUT, at the moment the mechanics we have are:-
a) ...far too limited. eg: A blockage cannot be carried out in the game. It simply results in mindless murder. ie: Individuals destroying CMDRs carrying cargo typically for no true in game reason.
b) ...mindless murder should be fine in reality. ie (a) should be accepted! BUT the problem is there is basically no penalty for this behaviour. The game does not really penalise behaviour that deserves it.


I've attempted to put effort and consideration into the matter, and feel I'm being reasoned and fair about it. In return I simply ask others attempt to do so too. Stop any personal comments etc and start the constructive suggestions if you truly want to participate in the thread...

 

[GluttonyFang]

Fold

You are being overly sensitive, you are constructively listing why you believe your perspective should convince people, which I appreciate.

 

[Buglet]

CODE makes solo more appealing because fail RP ruins the fun of open. GG CODE, slowly but surely working their way into our ignore lists.

 

[Soulstain]

No, you don't get it. It's not emergent gameplay if it doesn't pay millions of credits! Which is why noone bothered hunting down the CODE members. Selling scrap in solo/private was infinitely more fun and rewarding! Especially rewarding, we're talking about huge profits here.

Lol, yes, this is the problem, it's all about the credits in this game and not about the deep, complex meaningful gameplay. Point A to point B for X credits. I'm doing it in open because it's my "right" and I should be able to go about my business safely and unmolested in my unprotected vessel in lawless space....lol. If large groups of people want to travel unmolested together with NO risk during CG's, there is another mode for that. Otherwise, ANYTHING can happen, and contrary to what some may think, it is exactly what FD intended. That's why they gave you choice and that's why all modes are effecting the same universe.

 

[S.H.A.D.O]

I was heading there just over an hour ago in my unarmed ship with no cargo. I hadn't heard about this otherwise I not have gone but I was going just for the fun of it.
I was pulled out of SC by four combat ships and destroyed for no reason whatsoever.

I had no weapons on my ship
I was carrying no cargo at all
I wasn't wanted
I am not signed to any faction

Needless to say I was very annoyed at being killed for no reason and I've now switched to Solo permanently. morons

 

[Andovar]

It's been the issue since 1.3 released.

Well, I guess I have a different interpretation of what "way too fast" of a response is.
I haven't done player piracy, but did do quite a bit of PP undermining, and the NPC response (or lack thereof) was always a joke.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

I was heading there just over an hour ago in my unarmed ship with no cargo. I hadn't heard about this otherwise I not have gone but I was going just for the fun of it.
I was pulled out of SC by four combat ships and destroyed for no reason whatsoever.

I had no weapons on my ship
I was carrying no cargo at all
I wasn't wanted
I am not signed to any faction

Needless to say I was very annoyed at being killed for no reason and I've now switched to Solo permanently. morons

Enjoy solo mode. It is a legitimate way to play.

 

[nexxo]

Personally, I feel that this operation is definitely questionable, and I don't think it would have developed to this extent if I was there to do something about it. However, playing the "if only I did xxx" is not helping anyone, so at this point it's about damage control, compensation, and how to work on the issue to ensure future Code intervention is done more properly.

Respect for owning it. Now it's time to do some thinking about what message CODE wants to get across as a player group and how best to do it. Because like it or not, correspondent inference is a thing. Good intentions don't matter none --the road to hell is paved with them. And a message that is not understood is a bad message.

 

[Buglet]

I was heading there just over an hour ago in my unarmed ship with no cargo. I hadn't heard about this otherwise I not have gone but I was going just for the fun of it.
I was pulled out of SC by four combat ships and destroyed for no reason whatsoever.

I had no weapons on my ship
I was carrying no cargo at all
I wasn't wanted
I am not signed to any faction

Needless to say I was very annoyed at being killed for no reason and I've now switched to Solo permanently. morons

Good for you. I had a similar experience. It's a shame that people feel that having their own fun justifies ruining fun for others.