Breaking news, birds are coming our way.

Bird Paradise is currently collaborating with a very successful UK based video game developer who already is an industry leader for several years in the virtual zoo simulation world and is developing their first ever game expansion based on Bird Paradise. Very exited about this as the younger generations will become familiar with our beautiful park and birds in general.

-For a mysterious person from Singapore
 
It is not yet known whether they are birds capable of flight.but I think it's definitely good news.
Dude, it's not "news". It's an anonymous comment on a public discussion board that literally anyone can post to.

I could log in there right now and make the same claims if I wanted to. It's an unverified statement. Until it's proven true, it isn't worth discussing, IMO.
 
Dude, it's not "news". It's an anonymous comment on a public discussion board that literally anyone can post to.

I could log in there right now and make the same claims if I wanted to. It's an unverified statement. Until it's proven true, it isn't worth discussing, IMO.
I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility. It makes sense for Frontier to pursue a proper expansion pack for birds (what else is WE for?) and it might be a reason why the DLC development team is short-staffed right now. Planet Zoo is a real moneymaker that they owe 0 IP rights for and if I were Frontier I'd try to milk this game like the Sims/Cities Skylines.

Either this person did his homework (including stealing the name of an actual employee at Bird Paradise) or they're in trouble. If it's the latter (and this post is real) there will be no further mention of the game (no matter how vague) and no more "leaks."

However, if it is really a troller they might find it too tempting to stop posting if they are getting attention.

Basically, if this poster disappears from ZooChat, deletes their account, then the odds for this being real would rise in my opinion.

As for why Frontier would choose a Singaporean zoo over one in Europe/UK, it's because Bird Paradise just opened and they are looking to market themselves aggressively. They might have offered excellent terms for a partnership + Singapore's climate is also native for the exciting tropical birds that people most want.
 
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As for why Frontier would choose a Singaporean zoo over one in Europe/UK, it's because Bird Paradise just opened and they are looking to market themselves aggressively
Didn't know at the Beginning that this Park is in Singapore and just thought the Bird Park Walsrode would be a way better and closer Option. After googling where exactly it is, it even turned out that it is the biggest Bird Park in the World. So why would Frontier travel to Singapore instead, unless they want to include some Bird that is only kept in one or two Zoos?
 
Didn't know at the Beginning that this Park is in Singapore and just thought the Bird Park Walsrode would be a way better and closer Option. After googling where exactly it is, it even turned out that it is the biggest Bird Park in the World. So why would Frontier travel to Singapore instead, unless they want to include some Bird that is only kept in one or two Zoos?
There was also something odd about the Summer DLC Arid Pack. Of course, it was relatively austere and the free update as well, but this is not due to a staff shortage in my view.

This is because they uploaded the DLC in the middle of May, if memory serves correct, at least 2-3 weeks earlier than they usually do. So they had the time to add more features, refine things, yet they hurried it along as quickly as possible.

If the staff shortage working on Planet Zoo was real, they wouldn't have turned down the opportunity to spend more time developing a DLC if they could.

My guess is they are working on something big, either a really substantial Fall DLC or perhaps even a full-fledged expansion pack for birds. This sucked up resources from the DLC team who were also pressured to do a relatively simple Summer DLC/update and finish it in record time so they can help with the expansion.
 
what else is WE for?
It is a way to give us animals that Frontier aren't able to implement in the current habitat system (with the asterix that that means without doing total reworks that can't fit in the budget). We literally have an example of that, being the sloth, and the dev journal actively backs up this statement. They mention how they couldn't get it to work as a habitat animal, and went for an exhibit implementation instead.

Now, do birds fall under the category of animals that can't be implemented in the current habitat system? Given that we're 4 years in and haven't seen habitat birds, it's safe to say that they most likely do. Does that mean that because we have a system that can implement that they will get implemented? No. It simply doesn't. The existence of the walkthrough exhibit isn't direct evidence for birds.

There was also something odd about the Summer DLC Arid Pack. Of course, it was relatively austere and the free update as well, but this is not due to a staff shortage in my view.
In all fairness, it wasn't that much smaller compared to the other updates we've gotten lately. It might feel like that, but going back it's about the same size as any animal pack update.
This is because they uploaded the DLC in the middle of May, if memory serves correct, at least 2-3 weeks earlier than they usually do.
That's when the steam branches were updated for the first time; but that does not have to mean that it was finished. That's not how that works 😅
 
It is a way to give us animals that Frontier aren't able to implement in the current habitat system (with the asterix that that means without doing total reworks that can't fit in the budget). We literally have an example of that, being the sloth, and the dev journal actively backs up this statement. They mention how they couldn't get it to work as a habitat animal, and went for an exhibit implementation instead.
So they originally made the entire WE for just the sloth? They couldn't get the sloth to work so they designed the special WE just for it? Actually originally they developed the concept for Egyptian Fruit Bat. And Butterflies. Both are flying species.
Now, do birds fall under the category of animals that can't be implemented in the current habitat system? Given that we're 4 years in and haven't seen habitat birds, it's safe to say that they most likely do. Does that mean that because we have a system that can implement that they will get implemented? No. It simply doesn't. The existence of the walkthrough exhibit isn't direct evidence for birds.
Besides birds, what other animals fit in the WE? I can't think of many. It's a completely wasted concept without birds and not at all worth implementing otherwise.
In all fairness, it wasn't that much smaller compared to the other updates we've gotten lately. It might feel like that, but going back it's about the same size as any animal pack update.
Camel, Rhino, Addax, Dama Gazelle, Somali Wild Ass, Desert Horned Viper aren't just re-skins. They are quite literally clones and extremely simple to make. Sand Cat does have new animations but they are very simple. A small modding team could have made these animals very quickly.
That's when the steam branches were updated for the first time; but that does not have to mean that it was finished. That's not how that works 😅
But if they are in a habit of updating the steam branches at a certain point in their progress, is there any reason why they updated so early this time and just changed their usual operating schedule? Maybe because they were ahead of their usual time schedule? Trying to rush completion?
 
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Because it makes use of existing animations (mostly) and adding texture and detail is just redoing the exterior. It's nowhere near as difficult to make as say the porcupine, which was the only challenging animal in this pack. The rest were way easier.
Same goes for a Lot of Packs. Already the SEA animal Pack had only two real new animal with the Binturong and the Probosciuous Monkey. Besides we got a further Cat, a further Dog, a further Tapir, a further Bear and a further Pig. That is the same amount as we got now with the Porcupine and the Sand Cat. For Africa goes the same and also for Wetlands Pack, Conservation Pack, Grasslands Pack and Tropical Pack. Perhaps NA, Europe and Twilight Had a bit more unique rooster compared to the other packs. I would not read that much into the actual rooster regarding the next Packs.
 
So they originally made the entire WE for just the sloth? They couldn't get the sloth to work so they designed the special WE just for it? Actually originally they developed the concept for Egyptian Fruit Bat. And Butterflies. Both are flying species.
No that's not what I'm saying, you're misreading my comment.

People always assumed that the walkthrough exhibit was solely made so they can have flying animals and was an experiment for birds; but the sloth and the dev journal that accompanied it clearly shows that the intent of the walkthrough exhibit was to be a way to have animals in the game they couldn't make with the current habitat system.

Birds can fit under that system, but that doesn't mean the system has to have been made for birds to begin with.

It's a completely wasted concept without birds and not at all worth implementing otherwise.
And whilst that's an entirely fine opinion to have; that doesn't change anything about Frontiers intent. Just because some people think it would have been a waste to implement doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be used for birds.

A small modding team could have made these animals very quickly.
As someone who has been a modder and is a senior dev, I've already made a post about how modding and actual development in a company is completely different.

Especially given that the whole idea of "they could have done that super quickly" is based on nothing really; because we only know the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the development process behind a pack. We don't know how long it takes Frontier to develop a pack like this in a professional context.

So assuming that this pack took less time is based on nothing but "oh a modder could do this fast", but that is not a good base for comparison as I mentioned in the post linked above.

But if they are in a habit of updating the steam branches at a certain point in their progress, is there any reason why they updated so early this time and just changed their usual operating schedule?

And that brings is to the misinterpretation of the steam branches. People have given their own meaning to it; but we have no actual information on the process Frontier uses behind it. If something isn't like it was before, that might be intentional or that might mean that our initial assumption was wrong to begin with.

All we can really truly know based on the steam branches is whether or not they're still working on the game. All the other stuff? That's been our own interpretation and we have never been able to rule out whether or interpretations were correct. So we could have been right this whole time or we could have just been lucky.

I understand that you want birds and I would really like birds in this game as well. But there isn't really solid evidence that directly points at Frontier working on a bigger pack or on a bird pack at this point in time. There simply isn't. There's ways to interpret certain things so that it might fit your want to have either types of pack; but as long as there are other explanations for those things, there isn't really solid evidence I'm afraid.

And given that we're 4 years in with numerous amount of times were people convinced themselves that "birds were certainly coming next"; resulting in the eventual disappointment and angry reactions, I think it's good to learn lessons out of that. To each its own at the end of the day; but I'd much rather be wrong about this and be happily surprised that we get birds than to be wrong about being sure birds will come and birds not coming at all.
 
Didn't know at the Beginning that this Park is in Singapore and just thought the Bird Park Walsrode would be a way better and closer Option. After googling where exactly it is, it even turned out that it is the biggest Bird Park in the World. So why would Frontier travel to Singapore instead, unless they want to include some Bird that is only kept in one or two Zoos?
First I want to point out: I'm very skeptical about these ''news''

But I could actually see the logic of going with Bird Paradise over Walsrode.
Bird Paradise seems to have a design that would fit very well into the PZ universe. It is a brand-new park, so it doesn't get much more modern than that. Looks like a big part of the park consists of huge walk through aviaries, lots of fake rocks, tropical foliage, and so on. Very immersive. Feels rather easy to take inspiration from and apply it to PZ.

While I really enjoy Walsrode (been there twice), a lot of the park is still rather old-fashioned in design and got a lot of simple mesh aviaries, which are smaller than the WE in PZ. There are plenty of nice buildings, tropic houses, and large aviaries in between but I could see why it would be harder to fit into the PZ universe.

Frontier likes over-the-top designs and BirdParadise seems to be all that.
 
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Also if I find the clown who posted this obvious lie, I'll cover them in honey, push 'em into a pile of birdseed, and unleash a flock of pigeons.
 
Since DBOBE is no longer CEO at FDev, it may mean that FDev will be shifting focus from space games (hint: it already did) and that position was taken by Jonny Watts who is an Zoo / Dinos aficionado (who would have guessed - certainly not the fans of JWE1&2 or PZ fans) - it's entirely possible they may further develop PZ franchise.

So, i'm pretty sure PZ2 (and JWE3 - but this one depends on the IP holder) may happen

However, birds may happen in PZ2 not in PZ as the game may need an engine upgrade to properly deal with flocks of flying birds


I'll take my coat (and my tinfoil hat)
 
Since DBOBE is no longer CEO at FDev, it may mean that FDev will be shifting focus from space games (hint: it already did) and that position was taken by Jonny Watts who is an Zoo / Dinos aficionado (who would have guessed - certainly not the fans of JWE1&2 or PZ fans) - it's entirely possible they may further develop PZ franchise.

So, i'm pretty sure PZ2 (and JWE3 - but this one depends on the IP holder) may happen

However, birds may happen in PZ2 not in PZ as the game may need an engine upgrade to properly deal with flocks of flying birds


I'll take my coat (and my tinfoil hat)
I think the necessary Update to the newest engine was already done around the time JWE2 came. Could surely be that I remember wrong.
 
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