Bugged election, we cannot support our PMF

CunningStunt

C
We had an elections in HIP 12605 recently where some of our players were reporting that the mission board was not acknowledging the election state for our faction; and not offering any election support missions, while at the same time other players were seeing both sides in the election so we were able to support our faction and win control of the system.

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We equalised for a second election yesterday and Inara marked the election as pending for HIP 12605 Dynamic Interstellar but not for my faction, Artemis Corporation. Shortly after server tick we had players in system ready to support us but they were reporting the same issue, the mission board is not acknowledging our election state. I'm now logged in at 19:15 UTC and I have the same problem.

Here's Dynamic Interstellar's mission board -
https://imgur.com/Au2yX8b
Source: https://i.imgur.com/Au2yX8b.png

and here is ours -
https://imgur.com/TSdD0Gk
Source: https://i.imgur.com/TSdD0Gk.png

Station news and the squadron allegiance page both correctly show that we are involved in the elections.
Anyone seen anything like this? If we can't do anything to support our faction in the conflict we lose control of a system and its largest station because of a bug.

Logged on the issue tracker https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/13166
 
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Jmanis

Jmanis
CunningStunt said:
Logged on the issue tracker https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/13166
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You might get better traction with FD's support team: https://support.frontier.co.uk/kb/ This feels more suited to that rather than an issue... support is more "operational" in that regard.

I've personally never seen it before, and since issues require players to replicate/upvote the issue, a support ticket might be better; that's where you'd go for things like "lost my ship to a bug", "all my credits disappeared inexplicably", or in this case, "can't support my faction in a conflict".
 

FrogsFriend

FrogsFriend
It's worth mentioning that all none-combat actions will help your faction during an election, so the 'Deliver 120 Consumer Technology' and 'Covert Data Retrieval' missions should both help. In addition you can sell goods, do passenger missions, hand in exploration data or hand in salvage (escape pods, etc.) at the station you own.
 

CunningStunt

C
That's good to know, I'd been working on the assumption that only missions that are renamed during the conlfict state are relevant to the conflict. We control a station under repair in HIP 12605, its nearly 400,000ls from the star so its a grindfest but we can gain a steady stream of influence from delivering repair goods.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
FrogsFriend said:
It's worth mentioning that all none-combat actions will help your faction during an election, so the 'Deliver 120 Consumer Technology' and 'Covert Data Retrieval' missions should both help. In addition you can sell goods, do passenger missions, hand in exploration data or hand in salvage (escape pods, etc.) at the station you own.
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I'll be curious to see what happens though. Original 3.3 was a raw redirect of influence to the conflict, for the purposes of who wins and loses . FD changed that so theres new calculations, but the redirect still happens... i.e if the op runs a mission for the other side, they won't see an influence adjustment on the completion screen, whereas there will be one if you run a mission for Artemis corporation (as they aren't in a conflict state).

I'll also be interested to see if the other side can actually win the conflict or not.
 

FrogsFriend

FrogsFriend
Jmanis said:
I'll be curious to see what happens though
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Yes, is it just a display issue or has it somehow missed the Election state?

CunningStunt said:
That's good to know, I'd been working on the assumption that only missions that are renamed during the conlfict state are relevant to the conflict. We control a station under repair in HIP 12605, its nearly 400,000ls from the star so its a grindfest but we can gain a steady stream of influence from delivering repair goods.
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Once you start clearing some of your faction's missions from the board it will refill from the server[1] and hopefully get you more suitable none-combat, and specifically election-themed, missions.

[1] - The mission board normally has a slow rolling refresh. Every ten minutes or so it removes a selection of missions (spread across the whole mission board, not evenly from each faction) and replaces them from the server (again, 'randomly' spread across the factions, not directly replacing the removed missions). Players taking missions off the board will make it refill straight away. After taking a few missions it's worthwhile exiting and re-entering the board to see if your faction has had any new suitable missions added.
The rolling refresh is one reason why you don't see the board fill up with state-themed missions immediately after a state begins. It takes time for the old missions to be replaced with fresh ones from the server. The other reason is that your faction can have multiple states; economic, security, conflict, etc., and will still generate missions for those alongside the state you're interested in; in this case the election.
 

Just Paul

Just Paul
FrogsFriend said:
Once you start clearing some of your faction's missions from the board it will refill from the server[1] and hopefully get you more suitable none-combat, and specifically election-themed, missions.
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Does that mean I can see which factions are worked on in the system by the number of available missions?🤔
 
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FrogsFriend

FrogsFriend
Paul Smith the 3rd said:
Does that mean I can see which factions are worked on in the system be the number of available missions?🤔
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Unfortunately not. They get removed and replaced by the refresh essentially 'at random' (it could be oldest first or something similar but for practical purposes 'random' will do). For example, somebody could take six missions from one faction, leaving only two, and then the refresh could randomly decide to dump ten new missions all into that faction.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
CunningStunt said:
We won the first day of the election by delivering goods to repair Rigaux Gateway.
Influence remains locked with Dynamic Interstellar at 31.1% each.
Missionboard still does not say election for ATC0 or have any renamed missions.

https://imgur.com/PkvvvOg
Source: https://i.imgur.com/PkvvvOg.png
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Thanks for the update. Sounds quite similar to the bug in old BGS where some sides wouldn't detect the conflict state, so war- themed missions wouldn't generate... though in your case it's also not displaying the election.

I'd say "it's just a display bug " but it functionally changes what missions tend to be offered.

Can you do me a favour and post a screenshot of when you complete a mission (the screen showing rep up/ inf down etc)
 

FrogsFriend

FrogsFriend
I think, although I could be wrong, that stations under repair generate lots of 'source goods' missions for all factions, looking for the specific repair commodities. That could be overriding any election missions at that particular station. Are you still clearing missions from the other station(s) in the system and not getting any election ones appearing?
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
FrogsFriend said:
I think, although I could be wrong, that stations under repair generate lots of 'source goods' missions for all factions, looking for the specific repair commodities. That could be overriding any election missions at that particular station. Are you still clearing missions from the other station(s) in the system and not getting any election ones appearing?
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It could also be overriding the election state? Interesting...
 

CunningStunt

C
We did take some s&r missions from the small outpost close to the star, but the station in repair state is a long way from the star so we've only been delivering commodities, not working from the mission board at that station, I can confirm though the repair station does have mostly source & return cargo missions.

I did get a reply from Fdev on my support ticket saying that 'elections do not guarantee you'll see election missions' which is kinda strange as in my entire history of running bgs for Artemis Corporation (3 years) this is the first time i've experienced conflict states without the missions specific to those states being generated.

They also says its good i've logged it on the issue tracker as it will allow the QA to take a look, but presumably that will only happen after more people experience the bug and mark my issue as confirmed.

https://imgur.com/m3fl6hi
Source: https://i.imgur.com/m3fl6hi.png
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
CunningStunt said:
We did take some s&r missions from the small outpost close to the star, but the station in repair state is a long way from the star so we've only been delivering commodities, not working from the mission board at that station, I can confirm though the repair station does have mostly source & return cargo missions.

I did get a reply from Fdev on my support ticket saying that 'elections do not guarantee you'll see election missions' which is kinda strange as in my entire history of running bgs for Artemis Corporation (3 years) this is the first time i've experienced conflict states without the missions specific to those states being generated.

They also says its good i've logged it on the issue tracker as it will allow the QA to take a look, but presumably that will only happen after more people experience the bug and mark my issue as confirmed.

https://imgur.com/m3fl6hi
Source: https://i.imgur.com/m3fl6hi.png
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It's true that a state doesn't guarantee a mission in the current BGS (as multiple states can be considered for mission generation, including external states[1])... but without seeing the text you submitted for the support request, if you were mentioning the lack of missions, they may have overlooked the more fundamental issue that your faction isn't even in an Election state (Instead, in a None starte, which is why you won't be seeing Election missions), but according to the other faction, you are the target of an Election. Might be worth emphasising that, if you're able to respond.

[1] By external states, I mean if you're in, say, an Agricultural Station, and your faction is only in an election in that system, but another faction is in a Famine in a neighbouring system, you may see "Deliver food to stop Famine" missions offered by your station, to the faction in famine in the neighbouring system.
 

CunningStunt

C
My ticket was pretty short but I did link them to this fourm post and the imgur album where I'd been uploading all the screenshots.

Hi, we have an election in HIP 12605 but the mission board does not reflect this or acknowledge the election state, so we are not getting any election support missions for our player factions.

please see forum post for more details and issue tracker link, thanks
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/bugged-election-we-cannot-support-our-pmf.538566/#post-8320374

https://imgur.com/a/dbdwuRz
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Jmanis

Jmanis
CunningStunt said:
Just finished a courier mission, was this the screen you wanted to see Jmanis?
https://imgur.com/7F2kr7g
Source: https://i.imgur.com/7F2kr7g.png
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Perfect, and yeah, that shows (to me at least) that, functionally, your faction is "in election" for the purposes of the BGS. You can tell because the influence is being redirected (which happens in a conflict)... HIP 12779 Blue Syndicate has an influence adjustment (highlighted), but your faction (Artemis Corporation) has no influence adjustment (because it's redirected to the conflict):
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So, the main effects of this bug seem to be:
  • Game isn't displaying you're in Election
  • For the purposes of mission generation (but not function) you're not registering as being in Election

Both these features probably get the active states through the same mechanism, which doesn't seem to be working, but at least the game seems to recognise you are in a conflict for the purposes of resolving the conflict.
 

CMDR Ahlos

CMDR Ahlos
I have my faction in an Election now. Not pending anymore. But it does not spawn any poll data missions on any of the 2 factions for me
 

CunningStunt

C
It can take a while sometimes after server tick before you start seeing state specific missions on the board, but if after a couple hours you still don't see any then you can just take any non-combat missions for your faction and win the election that way, that has been working for us, we hit total victory today so our conflict will end tomorrow.
 

CMDR Ahlos

CMDR Ahlos
CunningStunt said:
It can take a while sometimes after server tick before you start seeing state specific missions on the board, but if after a couple hours you still don't see any then you can just take any non-combat missions for your faction and win the election that way, that has been working for us, we hit total victory today so our conflict will end tomorrow.
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Ah. Thoght you needed to do specificly them poll data missions..
So if its a war, not election, i am guessing assasination count there?
 
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