Building a new PC for Elite: Dangerous Odyssey (hardware discussion)

rootsrat

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No GPU? Or are you transferring the existing?

It doesn't seem like your use case needs to spend the extra on the X870E, over the X870 (for details see https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-x870e-aorus-pro/12.html).

Do you need a 1200W PSU? Probably not unless you are running a 5090 (and don't have plans for a future x090).
Transferring my 3080 to this new build and an old 1080 to my current pc.
Wasn't aware there is a x870 version of this mobo, do you have a tldr what the difference is?
As for the PSU, went overkill to future proof it a bit, as I'll probably get a new GPU next year.
 

rootsrat

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Yeah, asked an AI for a comparison too. I do need the extra USB slots, so will stick with E.

Phoned the store and the guy said he can give me a discount too, so I think I'm sorted! Calculated they charge around 200 GBP for the labor, testing and 3 year warranty. Not too bad I think and I really don't have the time for a home PC build.

First time in my my adult life someone else is building my PC! 😲
 
By the way, I meant to say that when I bought the extra WD_BLACK M.2 SSD from Amazon a while back I must have set a price watch for it and I keep getting alerts so I guess this excellent 2TB SSD must be falling in price and might be worth a look.


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Yeah, asked an AI for a comparison too. I do need the extra USB slots, so will stick with E.
I'm probably going to go with the X870E myself, but while comparing options I realised that the X870 is nerfed to the point that some people would be better off with the X670 despite it being older.
Yup, you'd think that the X870 is just an upgrade in every way from an X670, but AMD bizarrely chose to cut back the number of PCIe lanes for it (so it has 8 fewer total lanes despite having more PCIe 5.0 lanes). The X870E and X670E are kinda what you'd expect - the newer one is a straight upgrade in a few areas.
By the way, I meant to say that when I bought the extra WD_BLACK M.2 SSD from Amazon a while back I must have set a price watch for it and I keep getting alerts so I guess this excellent 2TB SSD must be falling in price and might be worth a look.
Yeah, I bought one in Nov 2023 (for £110) and have been very happy with it. The price then soared for quite a while, but I am thinking about buying more so am glad to see it's dropping!
 

rootsrat

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By the way, I meant to say that when I bought the extra WD_BLACK M.2 SSD from Amazon a while back I must have set a price watch for it and I keep getting alerts so I guess this excellent 2TB SSD must be falling in price and might be worth a look.


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Thanks! A couple of NVME m.2's is another thing I need to fully complete my NAS setup - they will serve as dual cache in the NAS for fast data access, it's pretty clever actually. I'll keep an eye on the prices!
 
AMD's chipset naming convention is mostly nonsensical and fairly misleading.

The B650, B650E, B850, and X870 are fundamentally the same thing...a single Promontory 21 chip.

The X670, X670E, and X870E are also fundamentally the same thing as each other...two Promontory 21 chips, with one daisy-chained to the first, meaning all that extra I/O still has to go through the same x4 PCI-E 4.0 link to the CPU.

There are some largely arbitrary nuances that separate the different chipsets...mainly how much PCI-E 5.0 is enabled vs. 4.0, while the 870 and 870E technically need to include USB4 (on a separate chip) which eats up four PCI-E lanes, often leading to the irony of the B850 boards having the largest number of usable CPU attached M.2 slots that don't steal lanes from the GPU.

There is also a mild trend of the 800 series boards having better memory overclocking than the 600 series, as they've had to pay more attention to trace routing and the like to get official 8000MT/s+ support. This is just a trend however, and not an intrinsic property. Older memory-focused boards (e.g the ASUS X670E GENE and Gigabyte B650E Tachyon) will beat the overwhelming majority of X850/870/870E boards in peak memory performance and it takes a high-end quad-DIMM board to match mainstream two-DIMM (mostly ITX) boards, regardless of chipset.

Personally, I don't pay too much attention to the chipset itself. I do stay away from A620 and B840 boards as they have most OCing features disabled for market segmentation reasons (and are generally very low-end regardless), but beyond that I look for the minimum I/O I require, then pick the board that seems to have the best combination of relevant OCing features (advertised peak memory speed, number of PCB layers, VRM topology, general clutter) and firmware (how frequently it's updated, what AGESA versions I can find if I don't like the newest one, what settings are available [things like being able to disable certain hidden limiters, set different tRCDRD and tRCDWR timings, being able to tune VRM switching frequency, et al, are nice to have], etc).

Anyway, when selecting a board you want to figure out what you're going to attach to the board, then take a careful look at the manual (especially the block diagrams, if their is one). This is how you avoid unpleasant suprises like knocking your GPU down to 8x or not being able to use SATA ports if you want to use all your M.2 slots, or not having any rear USB ports that aren't routed through multiple layers of hubs.
 
Love the idea of a bigger monitor, but do you know if anyone has blind tested the cable thing (I.e. compared visual performance on the same rig(s) without knowing the specific cable being used)? I had thought that was holdover from analog signal days, and with newer equipment that’s digital signal based it doesn’t really matter. I haven’t seen much of a difference on larger TVs that I’ve had replaced “worse” cables with “better,” but I’m also the kind to happily play in stuttery VR on an old graphics card so I’m not really a great judge of quality :)
Here's one example. If you ask for a DisplayPort cable from the local shop, you can end up with something that limits your monitor refresh rate and resolution. You might have a 4K display and be able to game on it, but it'll be limited to 60Hz or worse because of bandwidth limitations. Cables come with different standards and some of the cheaper ones don't even meet minimum standards. Or everytime your housemate runs the microwave, your FPS dips.

I've seen people trying to run 10GB networks over Cat 5 cables screaming about how bad their switch is. When a $12 cable solves their issues, they think you are magic.

Consider your cables equally is all I'm sating. Or it's like buying a Lamborghini and putting disel in it.

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PS. Stuttery VR equals keeping a bucket on-hand beside your PC.
 
Thanks! A couple of NVME m.2's is another thing I need to fully complete my NAS setup - they will serve as dual cache in the NAS for fast data access, it's pretty clever actually. I'll keep an eye on the prices!
Keep an eye out for the Inland brand of NVMe. Decent performers @7,000 MB/s and reasonable pricing (Amazon sales). I have 2 x 2TB ticking over in my NAS cache slots. QNAP TS-h886 on a 10GB network.

I have 3 x Samsung 9100 4TB in my PC, but for NAS cache the Inlands work nicely.

Not affiliated and not receiving any fee or compensation to promote them. I'm just a happy customer.
 
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I dread PC components shopping :D

I got a bonus from work this month, so I decided it's high time to swap a bottleneck in my current PC, which is the CPU. Since I reached max for my mobo, it also means a new mobo. Since new mobo supports DDR5, best just get new RAM too. Since I have some parts that I could spare to perhaps build a secondary streaming PC, I could use a case as well. Oh, the AIO cooling solution can't be mounted on my new CPU, I need that as well. Be good to swap couple of old 256 GB SSD's for some bigger ones. But I also need a HDD to sync data with my NAS...

All of a sudden I have built myself a new PC. Fargoddamit!

I am well out of the loop hardware-wise. Can anyone spot potential problematic components here?

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Solid build. I'd suggest adding a 360mm AIO and replace all of the fans (and case) with Be Quiet! Silent WIngs 4 120mm for a performance boost and noise reduction. Same on the case fans. Money well spent. No RGB, but I don't like unicorn vomit.

Themal paste has come a long way. I'm a huge Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme fan, but see lots of new contenders since I built my rig. ( I avoid the liquid metals.) Chart from Tom's Hardware. They update it annually.

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I like the Cooler Master HAF cases. Lots of customization options and designed for high air flow through the case, but not a big deal if someone else is building it for you.
 
Hi :)

By the way, I meant to say that when I bought the extra WD_BLACK M.2 SSD from Amazon a while back I must have set a price watch for it and I keep getting alerts so I guess this excellent 2TB SSD must be falling in price and might be worth a look.

They've certainly come down in price!....even with the 2tb heatsink version they're on sale at amazon for about £137. (plus postage).
Definitely cheaper than the two main UK hardware stockists I usually get my hardware from. (£160). ;)

I'm looking to get a cheapish but reliable storage drive to replace one of my old WD 500gb drives that I have for windows backups as it's now not large enough, so if anybody has any suggestions with this use in mind feel free to comment or with suggestions. :)

Jack :)
 
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They've certainly come down in price!....even with the 2tb heatsink version they're on sale at amazon for about £137. (plus postage).
Definitely cheaper than the two main UK hardware stockists I usually get my hardware from. (£160). ;)

I'm looking to get a cheapish but reliable storage drive to replace one of my old WD 500gb drives that I have for windows backups as it's now not large enough, so if anybody has any suggestions with this use in mind feel free to comment or with suggestions. :)

Jack :)
For my backup drive I'm just using a spinning rust external (https://www.scan.co.uk/products/6tb...000400-external-hard-drive-usb30-pc-mac-black)

Don't need particularly fast access just needs to be fast enough.
 
I wonder how many cmdrs have VR powered by a 9070xt?
I'd love to hear how their doing it.
Personally I'm in flux.. still mucking about with it all. The pimax CL is a beast. And needs beastfulness in abundance.
 
Hi :)



They've certainly come down in price!....even with the 2tb heatsink version they're on sale at amazon for about £137. (plus postage).
Definitely cheaper than the two main UK hardware stockists I usually get my hardware from. (£160). ;)

I'm looking to get a cheapish but reliable storage drive to replace one of my old WD 500gb drives that I have for windows backups as it's now not large enough, so if anybody has any suggestions with this use in mind feel free to comment or with suggestions. :)

Jack :)
I upgraded my ED PC at Christmas and put all old parts into a "terminal for running my employers spyware secure office connection software". I just needed a new drive and found this Patriot P320 256GB Internal SSD - NVMe PCIe Gen 3x4 - M.2 2280 - Solid State Drive - P320P256GM28 £16.99.

They also do a Patriot P320 1TB Internal SSD - NVMe PCIe Gen 3x4 - M.2 2280 - Solid State Drive - P320P1TBM28 £46.49. You'll find SATA SSDs even cheaper.

Don't need particularly fast access just needs to be fast enough.
Completely agree. Just make sure everything on that drive is a copy though, those single drive units do fail sometimes.
 
So in order to help answer questions like "What PC upgrades will help ED ?", I've been building this for myself.

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If anyone from this thread wants a copy, please DM me. (I'm not brave enough to open it up to the whole world just yet.)
 
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