Modes Can we get more players into Open Play?

[ALGOMATIC]

You mean there aren't and cannot be any other groups than Mobius? That is news to me. Care to elaborate on this sudden change in the system? I was under impression you could create your own group if you wanted to play just with 3-4 buddies for example.

Or are you just going to make wild assumption that Mobius is 100% of PG?

And if Open is dominating in terms of numbers, why are you here complaining? If Open is so full of people we happy few in solo and PG cannot even hope to have effect on the huge masses of Open players. Your argument does not hold water! If PP in Open struggles because of PP players in PG and solo, it just means that PP players in open are so small group that their actions are irrelevant. Or that open players have not grasped HOW to play PP. Or BGS for that matter


And you think that trying to make the Open appear even less appealing is somehow a good thing to do? You complain about people not being in open but praise activities which are driving people out of it.


Your guarantee is worth as much as my guarantee that majority of PP players would want it to be done anywhere but open only.
Evidence, I want that. Not your personal, unfounded guarantees.



But Open players are dominating! With so massive, dominating numbers how is it possible that you and your buddies in Code and whatnot cannot create that engaging game-play in Open?

PG with 3-4 friends is still SOLO, hardly any difference.

My complaint is not against PG or Solo players overall, my issue is that even OPEN players will jump to solo to make themselves an easier path in PP. This should not be availble to them.

Fdev have to provide the content, I shouldn't have to manufacture it. There are many people in open, go to any CG its full of pvpiers, FDEV needs to step up and create proper content otherwise the massacare will continue.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Fdev have to provide the content, I shouldn't have to manufacture it. There are many people in open, go to any CG its full of pvpiers, FDEV needs to step up and create proper content otherwise the massacare will continue.

Frontier did provide the features that offer opportunities for PvP - PowerPlay being one of them. What they cannot do is provide targets for other players.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

The forums are full of wailing about not enough players in Open as well.

Irony 1: Witness the title of this very thread.

Irony 2: Everybody knows Mobius. Everybody knows Canonn. Rate Mobius and Canonn infamy against infamy of SDC and HP (who are HP by the way??? Not familiar myself). I'll add Code to your list of well known PvP legends, though to add balance to your argument.

Irony 3: It appears to be a well seated suspicion amongst PvP enthusiasts that Mobius PG is somehow - in part - responsible for the demise of CMDRs in Open. Witness this very thread title.




No.
No you can't.

Apparently there are tsunamis of players engaged in PP using both Solo and PG modes. Or so says the PvP enthusiasts, witness this very thread. So how come you can guarantee what the majority want when it has been implied that the majority are flying elsewhere?

I'm confused. I really am baffled by the inconsistency, contrariness and incoherent responses.

Either there are tsunamis of players engaged in PP from PG and Solo modes - which sounds like a majority who don't want to engage in PP using Open mode? And you can't guarantee anything...
Or there aren't tsunamis of players engaged in PP from Solo and PG modes - in which case the majority are already in Open? And this thread has contradicted and defeated itself.

Which do you believe it to be?


Yours perplexed and bewildered

Mark H

PP is not used because the possibility for anyone to jump into solo to avoid conflict deters many.

Frontier did provide the features that offer opportunities for PvP - PowerPlay being one of them. What they cannot do is provide targets for other players.

The opportunities to PvP in PP is easily avoidable rendering PvP meaningless.

 

[Rampant]

PG with 3-4 friends is still SOLO, hardly any difference.

My complaint is not against PG or Solo players overall, my issue is that even OPEN players will jump to solo to make themselves an easier path in PP. This should not be availble to them.

Fdev have to provide the content, I shouldn't have to manufacture it. There are many people in open, go to any CG its full of pvpiers, FDEV needs to step up and create proper content otherwise the massacare will continue.

Firstly, has the meaning of the term "sandbox" gone totally over your head. This game is about the itsy-bitsy-teensy-weensy player finding their own way in a massive galaxy and that any player is not anywhere near to being anything other than a bit-part player in the vast sandbox. No big fish in a small pond here, although that's exactly what the seal-club crowd tend to think of themselves. Big fish in a small pond LOL. Most players rather see themselves as a tiny fish in a massive group of oceans and this is the entire ethos behind the game, exactly as described and envisioned by Sir DBOBE. Sandbox actually means something.

Second, you are absolutely correct, there are vast quantities of PvPers at CG sites. I've witnessed that every morning this week. ~60% of the players seen were in combat FdL. ~20% other players in combat FGS and around 20% of other players participating in the CG itself. This is completely broken. The other players should outnumber the PvPers, should they not? Particularly at a CG? My observation is that I normally see many, many more CMDRs at the same times of play in another well known group. Perhaps you'd also like to see many more players in Open than the well known group? All I can say is that the PvP enthusiasts have gone about ensuring that happens in entirely the wrong way.

Go seal clubbing.

=> direct consequence is that the seals migrate to a different habitat.

QED.

Mark H

 

[Tiwaz]

PG with 3-4 friends is still SOLO, hardly any difference.

My complaint is not against PG or Solo players overall, my issue is that even OPEN players will jump to solo to make themselves an easier path in PP. This should not be availble to them.

Fdev have to provide the content, I shouldn't have to manufacture it. There are many people in open, go to any CG its full of pvpiers, FDEV needs to step up and create proper content otherwise the massacare will continue.

But it is not Solo. And there are other groups out there all over. Bigger, smaller, medium sized. Mobius is just the most well known.
Unless you can present credible numbers from Frontier, your claims of players present here or there is irrelevant as it is just you guessing. Get us Fdev official numbers and you have a case.

It is your job to create your own PvP content. FDev cannot, and would be incredibly stupid if they did, try to force others to be your shooting targets. If those CG:s are so full, what is your issue? Go there and shoot the PvP-folk. And if Open players do not want to play PP with you in open in their hauling trucks, that is your problem. I will not fly in Open no matter what and would like to get into PP when, and if, I wish. Because it is FDev produced content I PAID FOR. One which does NOT rely on some other player providing my fun to me. Keep in mind, three modes all equal in treatment. That is what I paid for, that is the basic premise of the game promised.

Your argument that forcing people into slaughter would somehow reduce murdering is flat our ridiculous. Has not worked in ANY other game. Anyone who likes to be massacred will be in Open, everyone who is not there will not want to be there and will not come there.

 

[Robert Maynard]

The opportunities to PvP in PP is easily avoidable rendering PvP meaningless.

Is that meant to infer that PvP is only meaningful if it is mandatory?

 

[Tiwaz]

PP is not used because the possibility for anyone to jump into solo to avoid conflict deters many.



The opportunities to PvP in PP is easily avoidable rendering PvP meaningless.

Newsflash... PVP IS MEANINGLESS!
You are not going to put up blockade that holds even if every single PG/Solo player decided to quit tomorrow. The game system just does not PERMIT such siege to be made.

Stop trying to play PP like it is PvP game and accept that it is 99% PvE game with tiny possibility of PvP seasoning. You are using wrong tools.

 

[JetsonRING]

For myself, since starting the second account I am playing almost exclusively in OPEN, except to flip.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

The opportunities to PvP in PP is easily avoidable rendering PvP meaningless.

Rendering it optional. Although its not entirely meaningless in PP, but its highly inefficient. Even if everyone was playing in Open, you'd still be a lot more effective hauling than pew-pewing.

Every minute you are spending looking for targets is a minute you are not earning merits and CC for your power. You are wasting time.

This is why if you want a PvP focused game within ED, you are best served trying to convince FD to make one especially, because they are not going to take away PP from those who do PP in PG/Solo.

 

[Jockey79]

40K out of 2.4 mill player base (make it 1 mil of active players), assuming all 40K are active in the game, still makes this group a minority.

The rest are divided between solo and open, unless you are claiming that solo has more then 900K players, open is dominating the player base anyway.

Sure not many PVP, but PVPiers have the most impact on the community, everybody know SDC and HP, the forums are populated with whailing about being slaughtered, you are terrified of Open, we are free to go to any modes.

I dont need any numbers to know that PP is used for modules, this forum is highly biased towards PG, so you start arguing semantics, there are other sources and I brought few examples already that hold the same opinion, I can guarantee to you that majority of PP players would want it to be done in Open only.

I am not sure what multiplayer you are playing, but if racing or killing lame npcs in a wing is your definition of multiplayer, than consider yourself lucky, some of us would like to have more engaging game-play experience which actually require skills and is a bit more complex than just doing the same mundane activity over and over with zero progression.[/QUOTE]


Way to ignore the point that the PvE community is larger than the PvP one - by a long shot.

The only people who are "terrified" around here is you lot - terrified of being alone in game designed so we can ignore you if we want to ignore you.

You keep using the word "guarantee" - I don't think it means what you think it means. You cannot "guarantee" anything that happens in game or will happen.
You are nothing more than a lowly player like the rest of us. And Frontiers opinion is well documented in "The Wall of Information".

Multiplayer = 2 or more people. Wing = 2 - 4 people. Wing = Multiplayer.
I play in a wing. I play multiplayer with friends.

If you're so desperate to "develop skills" - I'd suggest volunteer work with your local emergency services, or scout group - as this is a computer game, not a life skill course.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Indeed Jockey.

Plus there are those people online who try nasty shenanigans - and literally cry to their mum when they get utterly pwnd at a real player vs player situation.

That kind of thing should never happen in a civilized world - but clearly it does, and that is unfortunate.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Is that meant to infer that PvP is only meaningful if it is mandatory?

Its just the biggest challenge in the game, anyhting else is so easily archieved that any attemp to avoid direct pvp will give you the easy route.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Newsflash... PVP IS MEANINGLESS!
You are not going to put up blockade that holds even if every single PG/Solo player decided to quit tomorrow. The game system just does not PERMIT such siege to be made.

Stop trying to play PP like it is PvP game and accept that it is 99% PvE game with tiny possibility of PvP seasoning. You are using wrong tools.

Thats the base for this discussion that pvp is indeed meaningless. When the PG/solo access will be blocked to anyone who plays PP, PvP will become meaningful.

 

[Faded Glory]

Thats the base for this discussion that pvp is indeed meaningless. When the PG/solo access will be blocked to anyone who plays PP, PvP will become meaningful.

And probably very, very rare...

 

[Rampant]

PG with 3-4 friends is still SOLO, hardly any difference.

Oh, and one more thing, matey.

<grins shrewdly>

Even "Solo Mode" is still *multi-player*.

Perhaps you've heard about something labelled as the "BGS"?

Well.
This is the mechanism that renders Elite Dangerous a MMO. *Epic* MMO, in fact.

- Each and every single player interacts with the BGS through every single PvE transaction and activity they complete.
- By fundamental design this interaction is achieved in whichever mode of play is selected by the player.
- Each mode of play affects and is affected by the actions and interactions of every other single player in the game on equal terms.

Sound familiar?

*Epic* multiplayer, even if you choose the mode that means you don't "see" any other players in the background.
*Epic* multiplayer, even if you choose the mode that means you only see a select number of players to directly interact with.
*Epic* multiplayer, even if you are the only other player on Xbox, or PS4, and can't see the other players in your close vicinity = the actions they take are still visible.

I really, really do love this game. For me, it's fundamental and intended multiplayer architecture is one of it's major selling points.

Yours Aye

Mark H

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Its just the biggest challenge in the game.

But what you are campainging for won't give you a challenge either. You think forcing PvEers into open will give you a challenge? You think they will git gud? Sorry, you're deluding yourself. They will run, they won't fight, or they will die... either way, no challenge there for you.

Thing is, not everyone wants that sort of challenge. People want different things from the game, and they get it. Perhaps not everything they want. Everyone wants more. And that is something you have to deal with. A lot of people don't give two hoots about PvP or the challenge that comes with it. They want exploration, or wing missions, or mining improvements, or something else.

Some focus for PvP players would be a worthy addition to the game for sure, but you are in the same boat as everyone else, wanting something from FD.

As i noted before, trying to get FD to change PP to suit you is just a waste of time and effort. I'd bet a decent sum no way would they ever make it open only. However, maybe, just maybe, they can be convinced to add some small feature that makes PvP more meaningful. Perhaps as part of the crime and punishment system (part deux) better tracking tools for bounty hunters, certain extras for those who play the bad boy lifestyle. Get the PvP bounty hunters going up against the PvP bad boys. Something like that could give meaning to the whole thing, and then you don't need soft targets for your supposed "challenge".

 

[Asp Explorer]

Thats the base for this discussion that pvp is indeed meaningless. When the PG/solo access will be blocked to anyone who plays PP, PvP will become meaningful.

PowerPlay locked to Open would be a great idea.

PvP doesn't involve PowerPlay.

You are my content

 

[Robert Maynard]

Its just the biggest challenge in the game, anyhting else is so easily archieved that any attemp to avoid direct pvp will give you the easy route.

For some players, no doubt - however there's no challenge in destroying inferior ships when flying a heavily Engineered meta-combat ship.

It is, however, entirely optional - by design - which is just as well - as Frontier would seem to be well aware (and they have access to real data and don't need to speculate based on franchise unit sales and membership numbers for a few large Private Groups) that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Its just the biggest challenge in the game, anyhting else is so easily archieved that any attemp to avoid direct pvp will give you the easy route.

The biggest challenge is to lure inexperienced CMDRs to open so you don't have to face CMDRs who are skilled in PvP?

To me it sounds as if you're arguing you would rather avoid a challenge than face it.

 

[Rampant]

The biggest challenge is to lure inexperienced CMDRs to open so you don't have to face CMDRs who are skilled in PvP?

To me it sounds as if you're arguing you would rather avoid a challenge than face it.

As it would also appear to me judging by the activity of the PvP meta-combat ships I observed at the LEESTI CG for the past week.

Not looking for challenge at all, by my reckoning. I firmly believe that's just a thinly veiled mis-truth.

My *evidence* for saying that? Well, it's just what I observed myself, flying in Open straight past these FdLs in my PvE Asp X, LOL...

Funny how we are on the subject of PP. There were several PvP meta-FdLs, of which some were pledged to a different Power to some others. Did they shoot each other for Open PP PvP? Did they shoot at each other for a challenge? Nope. They ignored the PP mechanic and went after singleton weaker ships in groups of FdLs.

Challenging? Nope.
Open PP PvP? Nope.
Tedious? You betchya.

So why are we even having this discussion, I wonder to myself.

Cheerz

Mark H