Modes Can we get more players into Open Play?

Jockey79

Jockey79
StiTch said:
Oh wow. Delusions of grandeur because you have been a forum member for a year. That is...possibly the saddest thing I've heard.

OP had good intentions. Prove otherwise or your point is moot.

Or just accept you overreact when you see someone actually being nice about Open.



Yup, that's how it works mate :)
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Way to misrepresent what I've written.

My proof of op and their intent was that, *they* have been a forum member for over a year (it's on their profile) and will have seen this topic brought up and shot down an awful lot in that time and yet made the thread. There is no honest attempt here other than stirring the pot.

This thread and the person making it prove the point and your deliberate attempt to troll and insult people also help make the point.
 

The Replicated Man

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Jockey79 said:
Way to misrepresent what I've written.

My proof of op and their intent was that, *they* have been a forum member for over a year (it's on their profile) and will have seen this topic brought up and shot down an awful lot in that time and yet made the thread. There is no honest attempt here other than stirring the pot.

This thread and the person making it prove the point and your deliberate attempt to troll and insult people also help make the point.
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Well...Thats....Just your opinion....man
 

Jockey79

Jockey79
TheRunningMan said:
Well...Thats....Just your opinion....man
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Actually, it's not "just" my opinion.

Let's look at your opening post shall we and we will keep in mind you've been with us on the forums for over 12 months, so you do know all about the SOG threads and have seen the weekly threads asking for people to play in open.


TheRunningMan said:
Hey guys,
I noticed that the Elite playerbase is not very large compared to most "mainstream" games (people are missing out!)
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Where did you get that from?
What numbers do you have access to?
Proof or random nonsense?

Not everyone who plays the game will play through Steam - linking your Steam account to your FD client also has a knock on effect of Frontier losing money from purchases made through a linked account as Steam likes their 30% cut.
So quite a few folks refuse to use Steam or link to Steam so when they buy stuff, FD gets 100% of the money spent.

Even my own timer on Steam is wrong, by a large margin. As I removed the link myself as soon as I found out Steam was taking a large cut for doing nothing.

TheRunningMan said:
and it would be nice to get more people to play in open.
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So you've never seen a post with this topic, in 12 months of being here?
Unlikely.

TheRunningMan said:
Here is my question: Whay mode do you play in?
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Asked and answered - weekly.
Plus 4 mega threads on the topic

TheRunningMan said:
What are your reasons for playing in that mode?
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Asked and answered - weekly.
Plus 4 mega threads on the topic

TheRunningMan said:
If you decided to venture into open, What changes would you like to see to make your gametime more enjoyable?
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Asked and answered - weekly.
Plus 4 mega threads on the topic

TheRunningMan said:
Sure you can be in solo mode and have 1,000,000.000 credits and a A rated cutter, but what is the fun in that?
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Asked and answered - weekly.
Plus 4 mega threads on the topic

There is no way any forum user who has been here for a year or more could have missed this topic and not ventured into at least 1 discussion on it. Even if it is was by mistake.
It's been so bad, the mods have given the topic its own subforum due to the pollution and hostility it has caused in the main discussion area. So now it's been shoved out of sight (metaphorically speaking)

And you want us to believe, you've not seen any of this over the last 12 months and made this thread out of genuine curiosity?

Well, I tell you what, if that's the case - you may want to click "The Wall of Information" link in my sig, for information on this topic that dates back up to 5 years ago and comes right up to modern era Elite: Dangerous.
Then follow the links to SOG 1 through 4 (in The Wall of Information or here in this subforum).
Also read the Lore regarding where "Dangerous" in the title comes from, as you'd not want to look foolish with a post saying "it's not called Elite: Carebear" or some such rubbish.
Do some research on Peer to Peer networking as well, as it is a major factor in the mode system and why you may not see a lot of players (it actually could be your internet making the game feel empty) and at the start of "The Wall of Information" is a video from Amazon regarding the servers Elite: Dangerous uses - if you're technically minded, that video will also show some glaring flaws with the network type Frontier chose.

And when you've done all that, you can insert my answers and many other forum users answers to those questions :D:D
 
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Phosphora

Phosphora
TheRunningMan said:
Hey guys,

I always play in open myself. Reason behind my decision? I enjoy human contact regardless if its friendly or hostile! It's what makes this game so enjoyable and challenging. Sure you can be in solo mode and have 1,000,000.000 credits and a A rated cutter, but what is the fun in that? NPC's are really no challenge. Even the Thargoids pose no "great" threat.
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You may find PvP exciting. I find it dull and boring. What is entertaining to you can be dull and dreary to others. Don't assume everybody has a similar personality to you - diversity exists and so should the modes.

Cheers, Phos.
 

Torsten2010

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I always play open.

Problem is, that the developer never offer an offline mode, so it happens that single player dont want pvp and open player want pvp, so this game has the problem that single player and open player wants to have different games and open play makes not much sense, but i play always open, but its sensless because there is no content. Sorry to say.........

open play needs guilds and own starbases to play with friends or guild, and build "maybe" own bases on planet and defend them together with freinds and build own defense, to make sense for open play...... Some player like defending there own starbases against thargoids and other player, in my opinion, also my friends said that.
 
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Satsuma

Satsuma
I'm mainly an explorer.

I used to play exclusively in open, despite running around quite often in unarmed, undershielded, underengined ships. When Distant Worlds came along, we flew in a PG (which became FleetComm), and I've stuck with that PG mainly because my friends are all there. It's a big PG, so I still see a decent number of people in the areas I'm flying.

Plus, better screenshots in a PG. No question about that.
 

The Replicated Man

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Jockey79 said:
Actually, it's not "just" my opinion.

Let's look at your opening post shall we and we will keep in mind you've been with us on the forums for over 12 months, so you do know all about the SOG threads and have seen the weekly threads asking for people to play in open



Where did you get that from?
What numbers do you have access to?
Proof or random nonsense?

Not everyone who plays the game will play through Steam - linking your Steam account to your FD client also has a knock on effect of Frontier losing money from purchases made through a linked account as Steam likes their 30% cut.
So quite a few folks refuse to use Steam or link to Steam so when they buy stuff, FD gets 100% of the money spent.

Even my own timer on Steam is wrong, by a large margin. As I removed the link myself as soon as I found out Steam was taking a large cut for doing nothing.



So you've never seen a post with this topic, in 12 months of being here?
Unlikely.



Asked and answered - weekly.
Plus 4 mega threads on the topic



Asked and answered - weekly.
Plus 4 mega threads on the topic



Asked and answered - weekly.
Plus 4 mega threads on the topic



Asked and answered - weekly.
Plus 4 mega threads on the topic

There is no way any forum user who has been here for a year or more could have missed this topic and not ventured into at least 1 discussion on it. Even if it is was by mistake.
It's been so bad, the mods have given the topic its own subforum due to the pollution and hostility it has caused in the main discussion area. So now it's been shoved out of sight (metaphorically speaking)

And you want us to believe, you've not seen any of this over the last 12 months and made this thread out of genuine curiosity?

Well, I tell you what, if that's the case - you may want to click "The Wall of Information" link in my sig, for information on this topic that dates back up to 5 years ago and comes right up to modern era Elite: Dangerous.
Then follow the links to SOG 1 through 4 (in The Wall of Information or here in this subforum).
Also read the Lore regarding where "Dangerous" in the title comes from, as you'd not want to look foolish with a post saying "it's not called Elite: Carebear" or some such rubbish.
Do some research on Peer to Peer networking as well, as it is a major factor in the mode system and why you may not see a lot of players (it actually could be your internet making the game feel empty) and at the start of "The Wall of Information" is a video from Amazon regarding the servers Elite: Dangerous uses - if you're technically minded, that video will also show some glaring flaws with the network type Frontier chose.

And when you've done all that, you can insert my answers and many other forum users answers to those questions :D:D
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Again.. That is your opinion man! :)

Sure I have been a member for a while but just because I am one that automatically makes me aware of every thread? Unlikely.

I started this thread with good intentions and asked very simple questions and here you are with your pitchfork out! Might I suggest a evening of mining in the rings of Delkar to clear your mind before you decide to start responding without knowing the whole picture!

Good Day

Phosphora said:
You may find PvP exciting. I find it dull and boring. What is entertaining to you can be dull and dreary to others. Don't assume everybody has a similar personality to you - diversity exists and so should the modes.

Cheers, Phos.
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Another thing that people are assuming is that Open is strictly pvp. Which it is not. Not everyone out there wants to kill you. Most systems are just full of NPC's
 
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Faded Glory

Faded Glory
TheRunningMan said:
Another thing that people are assuming is that Open is strictly pvp. Which it is not. Not everyone out there wants to kill you. Most systems are just full of NPC's
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I don't think people assume it's strictly PvP, it's just that it's the only mode where both consensual and non-consensual PvP can happen.

This has also been discussed in plenty of threads, but really despite what I said above, there is no such thing as non-consensual PvP in open, as when you log in, since PvP is allowed for any reason, you really are consenting to PvP, whether that is your interest or not. That is much debated, as is whether it should be that way, but that is how open is right now. Any player can attack any other player, at any time and for whatever reason they wish. It's allowed.

So if a player has no interest in PvP, as Phosphora indicated, but is interested in meeting other players, then PG is the way to go, as is somewhat demonstrated by the success of the Mobius groups.

And of course, if you have no interest in meeting other players, for whatever reason, then solo would be the mode to choose.

NPCs are everywhere, in every mode, at least they are until you get a few thousand light years from the bubble. :)
 

The Replicated Man

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Stewart_ said:
Another "Players should be in Open" Thread. Really?

Why do you want people in Open. Let people play how they want. I play in PG. That won't change.

It's not a "Players should be in open" thread sir. I merely asked which modes people preferred and stated where i play.

Keep that pitchfork in the shed!


Don't fix whats not broken. No need to remove other modes!
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It's not a "Players should be in open" thread sir. I merely asked which modes people preferred and stated where i play.

Keep that pitchfork in the shed!
 

Tadeus72

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There are a lot of players in Open. I do a lot of flying around, gathering mats, doing some CGs, fooling around in the Pleiades, visiting different POIs all around the Bubble... I see like 20 players every day? Much more in the the most popular places, but also a lot in between. Hell, even my missioning hub has lots and lots of locals and it's by far not the most popular in the Bubble. There are sometimes even too much, like at Farseer's where you have to wait for the pad :)

Most people who feel it's lonely out there probably only look at the sensor display, it's a mess, you won't see another player most of the time even if he's there, that's why it's much better to look at the contact history.

Other than that, open is cool. It's the only mode where you have to actually fit you ship for any meaningful danger and can't always fly-semi afk. I like knowing that there are real, intelligent threats out there in the black, even if I'm not a pvp player myself. And if I die? This game has a 95% free insurance on my stuff and 100% insurance on the things that are hardest to get - modifications and mats for them. It's easy mode and very casual friendly.

But I also welcome the current and coming C&P changes. Mostly because of immersion reasons. It's sometimes too much of a mad max setting where gangs of killers roam unhindered even in high sec space and this isn't how the Bubble is supposed to be in the lore.
 

The Replicated Man

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Tadeus72 said:
There are a lot of players in Open. I do a lot of flying around, gathering mats, doing some CGs, fooling around in the Pleiades, visiting different POIs all around the Bubble... I see like 20 players every day? Much more in the the most popular places, but also a lot in between. Hell, even my missioning hub has lots and lots of locals and it's by far not the most popular in the Bubble. There are sometimes even too much, like at Farseer's where you have to wait for the pad :)

Most people who feel it's lonely out there probably only look at the sensor display, it's a mess, you won't see another player most of the time even if he's there, that's why it's much better to look at the contact history.

Other than that, open is cool. It's the only mode where you have to actually fit you ship for any meaningful danger and can't always fly-semi afk. I like knowing that there are real, intelligent threats out there in the black, even if I'm not a pvp player myself. And if I die? This game has a 95% free insurance on my stuff and 100% insurance on the things that are hardest to get - modifications and mats for them. It's easy mode and very casual friendly.

But I also welcome the current and coming C&P changes. Mostly because of immersion reasons. It's sometimes too much of a mad max setting where gangs of killers roam unhindered even in high sec space and this isn't how the Bubble is supposed to be in the lore.
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+1 Repped
 

Phosphora

Phosphora
TheRunningMan said:
Again.. That is your opinion man! :)


Another thing that people are assuming is that Open is strictly pvp. Which it is not. Not everyone out there wants to kill you. Most systems are just full of NPC's
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Three things are certain. 1) Death, 2) Taxes, 3) Avoiding PvP when playing in Solo.

Cheers, Phos.
 

Gromit_

Gromit_
Hiya, I'm afraid another player hear going solo, sick of being killed by players ganging up just for the hell of it. FD don't seem to be doing much to resolve the issue, just been killed by 2 A rated Corvettes, while I'm Python. System Vessels turn up; they don't even scratch the paint of the Corvettes. FD need to start and crack down on players that do this in Systems other the Anarchy etc. I share your thoughts on open play, RANT OVER. Hopefully FD will resolve this problem.
 

Gromit_

Gromit_
Gun_Star said:
I stopped playing in open in anything other then my A rated Engineered Conda because I got tired of constantly being ganked by people that have more fun griefing other players instead of actually playing the game. I could see being interdicted and attacked if I was actually carrying cargo, but it seems like I just get interdicted to just be blasted, so to me I have more fun playing in solo when I'm trading or exploring.

Until they have a actual crime and punishment system that makes it worth while I'll stick with solo for anything other then using my combat ship.
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In full agreement with you I've just quit open play now for the same reason, maybe FD should have 2 different systems 1 for people who want to play and 1 for "the other ones". [mad]
 
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ChampN252

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I play both. Depends on what I'm doing. Now I'm praticing being a pirate. Started that in solo. I'm learning so, I do it in open now. I have an A rated, high engineered python, so I'm not too worried about being attacked. And I have plenty of rebuy money. Come to Archon's bubble. Deadest place I've ever seen in open.
 
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