Thats one of the reasons they dont care.
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Modes Can we get more players into Open Play?
Thats one of the reasons they dont care.
If you are a PvP player in a game where there's conflict over territory, the obvious drive for you would be to direct PvP against opposing factions. That's not possible when most PMFs cater to solo/PG to do their BGS stuff. You can see the letdown here?
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
I can see why some players are disappointed, yes - however it has been clear (to me at least) from the very beginning that the game does is not designed to support territorial control through mandatory direct PvP.
https://www.frontierstore.net/ed-eula/
You may want to pay close attention to section 7.3.1
Joining a private group with the intent to break its rules is harassment / bullying and they can (and do) take action.
Why do you think SDC stopped doing it.
Did you read any information at all?
You didn't read the sales pitch, you didn't read the EULA.
You really should spend an afternoon reading up about Elite: Dangerous and all the rules you're under when playing it.
It all leads to the conclusion that ED marginalizes and disincentivizes PvP.
Hence the conclusion that it doesn't cater to all people, but to a niche playerbase.
You're right, I might have to do that too. Thanks
Hence the conclusion that it doesn't cater to all people, but to a niche playerbase.
You're right, I might have to do that too. Thanks
System isn't broken, it's working as intended. It just doesn't work how you assumed it worked.
And clearly one PvP does care, as you've not shut up about forcing people out of Solo/PGs.
I can see people who were too lazy to read up on what they were throwing their money at and are now bitter they wasted their money.
You are right. Still, it looks like the Devs themselves are concerned over this, since they're taking their time to analyze players' feedback on C&P proposals on these forums. They're concerned about Open and want more people in it, and are taking effort to make PvP more viable, at least it looks like.
Bollox. It's not placed on a pedestal as many of you would like to see.
It's not to make PvP more viable, it's to make open more attractive to none combat players.
But it wont work.
They have the basis for a great C&P system and always have. But they wont do what is needed because it will upset those who like to blow up newbies.
High sec should be safe. If a wanted ship enters high sec it should be attacked within seconds of jumping in. Police response times to interdiction should be 5 seconds.
Mid sec should be quite safe. Wanted ships will be attacked if they get too close to police ships, interdiction of clean ships response times 30 seconds.
Low sec should be a okay to a point. Wanted ships behaving ignored, interdiction of clean ships response times 60 seconds.
Lawless / Anarchy should be a free for all. No police.
Police once they respond should try to catch someone until they leave the system or are "in custody"
The route planner can already plot routes keeping to system sec status, so they need to build upon that.
But like every other measure FD have taken, it will be lacklustre because for some odd reason DBOBE thinks we are all nice people who will play nice.
Despite himself being ganked every time he is in open.
Poor post kerrash, why not take a cobra out in open on wknds? People can be trusted most of the time and sometimes it adds something to the game. Don’t be too precious of you ships. If you cant afford to loose it, don’t fly it. The smaller ships are better anyway.
Join the community NOW... would do Kitchener’s thumb to if i could lol
Fly safe cmdr, hope to see you in open.
Over and out.
Join the community NOW... would do Kitchener’s thumb to if i could lol
Fly safe cmdr, hope to see you in open.
Over and out.
verminstar
Banned
Only thats not entirely true...if its proven ye joined mobius specifically to grief and gank, ye can indeed be banned as a few others found out the hardest way there is...no warnings just an instant ban and a link to appeal it if ye desire.
By all means, go ahead and try it...in fact I encourage ye to try it...if ye can get in that is because the application process changed a while back to stop the very thing ye describe from happening at all. PVP groups aint the only snowflakes that keep little lists ye know...or did ye think that was only fer KOS lists on reddit? Such list compiling isnt permitted here but as you yerself have pointed out many times, this aint the only forum...its just the most well known.
Ye only think ye can do as ye say, yet here ye are on a pve dominated forum shotgunning yer intentions all over the place...go ahead and apply...see what happens ^
I can see the letdown, but i at the end of the day, I don't really care about direct PvP. I don't have the time for that level of skill building, the so-called "metagame" requires me to play OOC, and ultimately a large proportion of the "PvP" community aren't fun to play with.
I like playing the BGS, and Frontier's mode system ensures that I can play the BGS against players in all time zones, on all continents, on all platforms, in all modes, and against all player types. I'm lucky if I can log in for five hours a week, so that's 163 hours where I will NEVER see the opposition, assuming they play on the PC and near me geographically. Plus I don't have to break character.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Frontier would seem to have been concerned about the population of Open for well over a year now - and Sandro has said that the consequences being discussed at the moment are what they were meant to be (i.e. consequences have been somewhat lacking for some time now).
Frontier also make no secret about wanting players to play in Open - however, as they are also aware that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP, I doubt that the changes are designed with the specific aim of making PvP viable.
I cant read pirate, what dialog is that? Can you write in English.
From what I understood you want me to enter Mobius and massacare people?
Are you sure I am not in it already? Everything in its own time, I got few other things to do before.
Go for gold, I'm sure we'll all enjoy your [Account Banned] rant like we did some others.
See it's not just PvP'ers who have eyes and ears in other circles.
If fact some role play groups rely on having "agents" in all the main clans / guilds to pass information out to where it is wanted / needed.
It's also how Frontier know if something was a mistake or actual harassment, because you guys love to brag on your forums over what you did and when, the agents love to take to screenshots on distribute them to the groups on FD.
On the plus side, your forum account isn't connected to your game account - so you can still come here and keep us company afterwards.
You know you love spending time with me on here
Go for gold, I'm sure we'll all enjoy your [Account Banned] rant like we did some others.
See it's not just PvP'ers who have eyes and ears in other circles.
If fact some role play groups rely on having "agents" in all the main clans / guilds to pass information out to where it is wanted / needed.
It's also how Frontier know if something was a mistake or actual harassment, because you guys love to brag on your forums over what you did and when, the agents love to take to screenshots on distribute them to the groups on FD.
On the plus side, your forum account isn't connected to your game account - so you can still come here and keep us company afterwards.
You know you love spending time with me on here
The funniest Mobius related ban was the "they banned my totally innocent son who really exists and wasn't my alt account" one.
So you are living proof that players do play PvE in Open. Thanks very much for your input. [up]
My sides might split.
With laughter.
After all this discussion it doesn't appear to have sunk in yet.
*Instancing*
If a hundred or so CMDRs logged into Open all at the same time to pummel the BGS, there would be *nothing*, and I mean *NOTHING* that a small PvP group could do about it through PvP.
INSTANCING. Its one of the list of things that mean PvP "defence" against BGS activity is completely ineffective.
But I guess that point hasn't been said any more than 50 or so times, so maybe it'll sink in soon enough if you read it a few tens of times more.
On the other hand, the small group could conceivably defend their system using PvE BGS. If the "territorial objective" was important enough. Which I suspect it isn't, and that the sole objective is fish-in-a-barrel PvP...
Comments?
Oh. And before I forget. Yes - you were incorrect despite you ignoring the fact that you were and steering the discussion elsewhere. It would have served much better to just say that you'd made an error. We're all human. It happens.
Finally, it defies all game logic that you would you call some our of game KOS list a "legitimate" reason for ""ganking". That simply doesn't bear up to any kind of scrutiny, does it now?
Cheerz
Mark H
Station blockade, you would all end up in sidewinders after a very short time. Instancing, yes, but unlike SOLO there is no guarantee you will never instance with the wrong people, there is always a risk, stop using it as an excuse, its obvious why you prefer to be hiding in SOLO/PG and screwing up someones BGS, instancing will not save you.
If you are so sure that you will never instance with anyone you dont want not fly in Open?
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You cant even understand the differences between BGS and PP yet are stubborn and clueless.
Whats the point of answering here if you cant even comprehend the underlying issue. You arguing in favour of the modes to have equal access to the content, yet fail to see that there is hardly any content to access. Go ahead and play PP in solo and not for modules, we will see how far you will get.