Modes Can we secede Open Play data from other modes.

[Darkfyre99]

At the risk of repeating something level headed Ive said a few times, regarding the old days of BGs faction dramas (which have gone the way of the dinosaur for the most part as the game as aged and the early, confrontational empire building groups have for the most part left), locking conflict zones in such a way they force you into an open instance once you drop into them would be a reasonable happy medium.

How is forcing players, who have zero interest in PvP and have expressed that disinterest by not playing in Open, into a situation where they’re vulnerable to PvP, a “reasonable happy medium?” Especially when said players may have zero interest in BGS play, and are just because the war? Doubly so, given how few active player-named minor faction’s there are out there, relative to the 70,000+ minor factions named by the stellar Forge.

On the one hand, everyone still gets to play the BGS.
On the other, when youve got to the stage you're deliberately kicking over a factions sandcastle (as the wars outcome determines controlled assets/system control status) so its only fair you should potentially habe the risk of meeting those whose work you've been undoing across a battlefield, where your (or their) deaths can make an impact on the end result.

The purpose of the BGS is to ensure that human space isn’t static, but dynamic. That is it’s sole function. The fact that some players have chosen to coopt the BGS as a form of proxy territorial warfare doesn’t alter that fact, anymore than players like me, who have used the BGS as a proxy for espionage play. There are better games than ED if you want that kind of game play.

Don’t ruin it for everyone else by turning combat zones into hunting grounds for the GIFT-ed. ED has blessedly little crap like that, and I’d like to keep it that way.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Elite Dangerous was always clear it wouldn't support territorial control. It was always clear you couldn't 'blockade' a system.

It's the reason I bought this game. If I feel like it, I will play in Open. I will be subject to players who don't want me there and can chase me away. If I don't feel like it, I won't, and I'll go wherever I damn well please. There isn't a player in this universe that tells me I can't visit somewhere. The only people who are allowed to do that is Frontier Developments. And what I am doing while I am playing the game is nobodies business. If I want to play the BGS all lonesomelike, I will play the BGS all lonesomelike.

I bought this game, I decide how to play it within Frontier's rules.

I specifically didn't buy other games where other players do have that kind of control over me.

Complaining the BGS can be influenced in other modes, is just as foolish as me going to other MMOs and complain I can be controlled by other players. The mistake there would be all mine. I bought the game where that sort of unwanted interaction is possible, I better cope with it. Those who are arguing to change this mechanism are arguing to change the game for players who paid attention what they were buying in favour of those who didn't.

Luckily this is all academic. Frontier Developments have been quite clear the BGS will be available to all modes and platforms. The BGS is designed to be available to all modes and platforms.

I suggest those who would like to be able to have that sort of interaction focus all their efforts into Powerplay and pressure Frontier to adjust that the way they say they intended it. Powerplay already has the requirement to sign up for it. Powerplayers are identifiable in game. Powerplay has it's own C&P. Don't get me wrong, I still feel it's a bad idea to have an Open Only Powerplay, but I feel the way Frontier pitched the idea and then retreated into it's shell is quite the two finger salute towards players who are in favour of it. Even I feel Frontier should stop being so damned coy about it, and state their intentions.

 

[EUS]

Elite Dangerous was always clear it wouldn't support territorial control. It was always clear you couldn't 'blockade' a system.

It's the reason I bought this game. If I feel like it, I will play in Open. I will be subject to players who don't want me there and can chase me away. If I don't feel like it, I won't, and I'll go wherever I damn well please. There isn't a player in this universe that tells me I can't visit somewhere. The only people who are allowed to do that is Frontier Developments. And what I am doing while I am playing the game is nobodies business. If I want to play the BGS all lonesomelike, I will play the BGS all lonesomelike.

I bought this game, I decide how to play it within Frontier's rules.

I specifically didn't buy other games where other players do have that kind of control over me.

Complaining the BGS can be influenced in other modes, is just as foolish as me going to other MMOs and complain I can be controlled by other players. The mistake there would be all mine. I bought the game where that sort of unwanted interaction is possible, I better cope with it. Those who are arguing to change this mechanism are arguing to change the game for players who paid attention what they were buying in favour of those who didn't.

Luckily this is all academic. Frontier Developments have been quite clear the BGS will be available to all modes and platforms. The BGS is designed to be available to all modes and platforms.

I suggest those who would like to be able to have that sort of interaction focus all their efforts into Powerplay and pressure Frontier to adjust that the way they say they intended it. Powerplay already has the requirement to sign up for it. Powerplayers are identifiable in game. Powerplay has it's own C&P. Don't get me wrong, I still feel it's a bad idea to have an Open Only Powerplay, but I feel the way Frontier pitched the idea and then retreated into it's shell is quite the two finger salute towards players who are in favour of it. Even I feel Frontier should stop being so damned coy about it, and state their intentions.

QFT, exactly the same reasons I bought the game, and why I don't buy other games.

 

[Brrokk]

Elite Dangerous was always clear it wouldn't support territorial control. It was always clear you couldn't 'blockade' a system.

It's the reason I bought this game. If I feel like it, I will play in Open. I will be subject to players who don't want me there and can chase me away. If I don't feel like it, I won't, and I'll go wherever I damn well please. There isn't a player in this universe that tells me I can't visit somewhere. The only people who are allowed to do that is Frontier Developments. And what I am doing while I am playing the game is nobodies business. If I want to play the BGS all lonesomelike, I will play the BGS all lonesomelike.

I bought this game, I decide how to play it within Frontier's rules.

I specifically didn't buy other games where other players do have that kind of control over me.

Complaining the BGS can be influenced in other modes, is just as foolish as me going to other MMOs and complain I can be controlled by other players. The mistake there would be all mine. I bought the game where that sort of unwanted interaction is possible, I better cope with it. Those who are arguing to change this mechanism are arguing to change the game for players who paid attention what they were buying in favour of those who didn't.

Luckily this is all academic. Frontier Developments have been quite clear the BGS will be available to all modes and platforms. The BGS is designed to be available to all modes and platforms.

I suggest those who would like to be able to have that sort of interaction focus all their efforts into Powerplay and pressure Frontier to adjust that the way they say they intended it. Powerplay already has the requirement to sign up for it. Powerplayers are identifiable in game. Powerplay has it's own C&P. Don't get me wrong, I still feel it's a bad idea to have an Open Only Powerplay, but I feel the way Frontier pitched the idea and then retreated into it's shell is quite the two finger salute towards players who are in favour of it. Even I feel Frontier should stop being so damned coy about it, and state their intentions.

Just on a practical level, I think the idea of blockading a solar system with fewer than ten million ships is a really wacky idea.