General / Off-Topic Car Insurance Is Odd

[Deleted member 115407]

Did u employ any non US citizens and pay them a living wage?

Are you asking about people with work visas, or people who are here illegally? Because hiring the latter is illegal.... Because they're here illegally.

 

[jasonbarron]

Are you asking about people with work visas, or people who are here illegally? Because hiring the latter is illegal.... Because they're here illegally.

I wondered that, too. I hopefully made it clear that while I don't believe in discrimination, it should be assumed that anyone I hire is here and able to work within the confines of our countries labor laws.

I think this is a spot on attribution of Atlas.

I found it one of the hardest, and most demanding, reads of any novel I've ever read.

I've also read Anthem. Fountainhead not yet.

Am I an Objectivist or "follower" of Rand?

No, not in that sense. I'm not an "ist" of anything but I do believe in having an open mind to philosophies and then making up my own mind on how to proceed and act (which actually sounds pretty Objectivist).

I don't know what that makes you, but I admire you for having an open mind.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I wondered that, too. I hopefully made it clear that while I don't believe in discrimination, it should be assumed that anyone I hire is here and able to work within the confines of our countries labor laws.

Yeah. I took Starman's question as meaning people who are here illegally. I personally don't know anyone who has ever rushed for the phone to call INS on someone who they suspected of being here under those terms, and it's not like I ask to see the papers of every person who I pay to perform a cash service for me. But to actually put people on the payroll who are not authorized to work here exposes you (read: a business owner) to legal liability.

It's not a simple matter of compassion and empathy.

 

[jasonbarron]

Yeah. I took Starman's question as meaning people who are here illegally. I personally don't know anyone who has ever rushed for the phone to call INS on someone who they suspected of being here under those terms, and it's not like I ask to see the papers of every person who I pay to perform a cash service for me. But to actually put people on the payroll who are not authorized to work here exposes you (read: a business owner) to legal liability.

It's not a simple matter of compassion and empathy.

Huh. Well, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but perhaps his somewhat spartan question was rooted in a negative assumption, sort of a question delivered via the back of his hand.

 

[Manticore]

I don't know what that makes you, but I admire you for having an open mind.

Not a capitalist, not a socialist.... these days pretty much a techno-survivalist and social survivalist.

 

[starman]

Huh. Well, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but perhaps his somewhat spartan question was rooted in a negative assumption, sort of a question delivered via the back of his hand.

To be clear. In UK there are many foreign workers who are on zero hour contracts. Working in restaurants washing dishes that are paid below minimum wage who may are may not have a working visa. In construction foreign working are more likely to be hires over UK.workers.

The other point is they are not on the payroll

Many cash business are actually laundering money, avoiding the correct tax.

Look ar Carillion how the directors got there bonuses paying dividends with borrowed money.

 

[starman]

Talk about going off topic

 

[AJW]

Talk about going off topic

It was necessary to go off topic, since the actual topic concerns the workings of a capitalist economy, and the way that insurance companies make a profit. Discussing that isn't much use if you are trying to promote Randoid nonsense.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

John Rogers

I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement [Libertarians] in the US that thinks Americans are not yet selfish enough.

Christopher Hitchens

To sum it all up, the [Ayn] Rand belief system looks like this:1. Facts are facts: things can be absolutely right or absolutely wrong, as determined by reason.
2. According to my reasoning, I am absolutely right.
3. Charity is immoral.
4. Pay for your own ******* schools.

Matt Taibbi

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/ayn-rand

 

[Yaffle]

And we hit politics.

Closing.