CH Pro Throttle help needed please!

hems303

hems303
Hi CMDR's
I have just purchased a CH Pro Throttle for £99 to compliment my venerable but excellent Microsoft Force Feedback 2 Joystick, which together they make up a truly excellent HOTAS setup (and I've tried all the others and returned them).
When I say the CH throttle is excellent, it is, BUT ...... I can't get Elite Dangerous to acknowledge the micro joystick thingy in the collection of buttons on the throttle. I don't want to use the CH Software as it sends some of my other hardware haywire!
I just want ED to recognise this switch input in any or some way....any ideas, help, thoughts or experiences much, much appreciated!
Fly safe Commanders! o7
 

huwthomas

huwthomas
It should just work, presumaly it's at least registered by the CH software or by other games? You might need to run that software for calibration and perhaps curve setting, by the way, but you don't need to have the GUI running while you play.
 

scbfromnc

scbfromnc
I use that mini joystick for lateral and vertical maneuvering thrusters. I bind in the analog section of ED setup. Are you trying to bind different types of buttons (e.g. digital)? I used my CH Throttle for many months without using the CH software, so if you aren't able to get it to work you might try installing the software and calibrate just to make sure the mini joystick functions, then uninstall the software. It may require returning the throttle for a new one.
 

Dr Roly

Dr Roly
I've been using my Pro Throttle without the CH software. ED should just recognise the thumb stick as another two joystick axes without you needing to do anything special or install extra software etc. Have you tried these?
- Open windows "Set up USB Game Controllers" to see if windows actually recognises the thumb stick
- Swap to another USB port, or a powered USB hub if you have one
- Check that the thumb stick is mapped to strafe up/down and left/right, i.e. mapped to the axes not the individual directions
- Make sure the deadzone slider is not all the way to the right!
 

hems303

hems303
scbfromnc said:
I use that mini joystick for lateral and vertical maneuvering thrusters. I bind in the analog section of ED setup. Are you trying to bind different types of buttons (e.g. digital)? I used my CH Throttle for many months without using the CH software, so if you aren't able to get it to work you might try installing the software and calibrate just to make sure the mini joystick functions, then uninstall the software. It may require returning the throttle for a new one.
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Hi!
Thanks for the info. When I installed the CH software it sent all my other (very old) Microsoft hardware GUI progs down the pan... I had to unistall them then reinstall them l and then go all through the setup for my Feedback joystick etc... a long and not very intuitive process. Really I don't want to be doing that all again. When I first installed the CH GUI; the little mini joystick (which feels and hopefully could be fantastic) DID work without issue (only in the CH software tho).
 
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hems303

hems303
Dr Roly said:
I've been using my Pro Throttle without the CH software. ED should just recognise the thumb stick as another two joystick axes
- Check that the thumb stick is mapped to strafe up/down and left/right, i.e. mapped to the axes not the individual directions
- Make sure the deadzone slider is not all the way to the right!
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Cheers, This was the problem, it was not recognising it set for the individual directions. I did not realise it was actually a mini joystick with axis... duh! By using the mini joystick for thrusters, I have now fully freed up the four-way button directly above, excellent! Rep+1 to you and all above!
 
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hems303

hems303
Dr Roly said:
I've been using my Pro Throttle without the CH software. ED should just recognise the thumb stick
- Check that the thumb stick is mapped to strafe up/down and left/right, i.e. mapped to the axes not the individual directions
- Make sure the deadzone slider is not all the way to the right!
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Hi again Dr Roly
Thanks for your input, I have got the little thumb stick working as the thrusters/strafe function as you suggested (it makes obvious sense) I find the movement is super sensitive, marvellously so, but... BUT the power is half what the actual mapped individual directions give (not Axis mapped). I have measured this difference on the speed readout and it is dead-on half the amount ..... I really do wonder why this should be. So what I am doing at present is leaving the 4-way button above the thumb stick set on up/down/left/right thrust/strafe for combat and general flying and also keeping the thumb stick (newly working thanks to you guys) also set up for up/down/left/right thrust/strafe BUT for landing and when greater control, discrimination and fine handling is required, which it truly excels at. It is brilliant having such fine control over the thrusters coming from the little "nipple" stick which feels like no other control method I've EVER had under my thumb!
Despite this speed discrepancy, I'm deeply indebted to you sir!
 

Ving

V
It sounds like you just need to calibrate the Throttle. I had the same issue the first time I used the thumb-stick for thrusters, but once I'd calibrated using the CH Software (you can also just use the Windows one) it worked full-range.
 

Draven Darken

Draven Darken
Ving said:
It sounds like you just need to calibrate the Throttle. I had the same issue the first time I used the thumb-stick for thrusters, but once I'd calibrated using the CH Software (you can also just use the Windows one) it worked full-range.
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I agree. Which, by the way, is why I had to sadly give up on using the CH Pro Throttle on the Mac ... I had the same limited range problem as the OP, but with no CH calibration software for the Mac, I was out of luck.
 

hems303

hems303
Draven Darken said:
I agree. Which, by the way, is why I had to sadly give up on using the CH Pro Throttle on the Mac ... I had the same limited range problem as the OP, but with no CH calibration software for the Mac, I was out of luck.
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Real sorry to hear you have had to give up using the CH Pro Throttle, I feel for you, as it is a truly brilliant bit of kit, accuracy like no other. I ordered, tried the Saitek X52, the X52 Pro, The Rhino and finally the big daddy the Thrustmaster Warthog.... they ALL went back some under warranty RMA and the Warthog because it just didn't gel (IMHO) with Elite Dangerous. So with the final tweaking above, from you guy's, to the CH Pro Throttle; I have such a VERY sweet setup with the old but superb Microsoft Force Feedback 2 joystick and obviously the CH Pro Throttle, having tried most of the opposition I have the best, most accurate and comfortably immersive HOTAS known to man (only for ED and of course this is IMHO). Even the force feedback is subliminally present despite ED not supporting it, it feels like you have a serious load to manoeuvre. It also vitally has "yaw" on the stick so negating the need to have foot pedal setup! I have even bought a second backup MS Force Feedback 2 joystick from eBay because IF it ever did die (absolutely no sign of this after nearly 15 years) I would be completely lost!
 
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irtuk

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Hey.

I recieved a full CH set today, Fighterstick, throttle and pedals but having plugged it all in the throttle is dead, absolutley dead. I have a single green light on it but the throttle axis is giving me no feedback whatsoever. I have tested this in this win 10 machine, and I have plugged it into my work laptop, in both cases when I go into the device manager to look at the device and calibrate it, I get nothing, nothing at all.

I chose the CH gear because of the reputation for very high quality, surely this cannot be dead on arrival? What have I missed or not done here? Anyone got any experience or insights?

-Ed
 

ElectricZ

ElectricZ
irtuk said:
Hey.

I recieved a full CH set today, Fighterstick, throttle and pedals but having plugged it all in the throttle is dead, absolutley dead. I have a single green light on it but the throttle axis is giving me no feedback whatsoever. I have tested this in this win 10 machine, and I have plugged it into my work laptop, in both cases when I go into the device manager to look at the device and calibrate it, I get nothing, nothing at all.

I chose the CH gear because of the reputation for very high quality, surely this cannot be dead on arrival? What have I missed or not done here? Anyone got any experience or insights?

-Ed
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There is a setup wizard in the CH Manager (not the Windows device manager). Run through it and see if it detects both the throttle and the stick, then run through the wizard all the way and see if it detects all the axes and buttons on the throttle. Just slide the throttle and press the buttons and the on-screen display will tell you if they are registering or not. If you get no response here, your throttle is defective. If everything seems to work, it's a driver issue somewhere along the line.

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On my main gaming machine, still on Win 7, I can't use the throttle using the straight windows drivers. Other people can, but not me for whatever reason. Doing some digging makes me think it's a compatibility issue with my hardware down to the USB controller or something. But the CH Manager works great, you can just set everything in DX mode and it'll play nice with windows from that point on. You need to run CH Manager to properly calibrate every axis anyway. :) The only real hassle is making sure to launch the CH driver before launching ED, or your mappings won't register in the game and give you a heart attack when you think they've disappeared after you've spent an hour getting them just right. (They haven't. Just quit ED, launch the CH driver, then relaunch ED and it will show up again.)

Good luck!
 
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Windscreen Smudge

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irtuk said:
Hey.

I recieved a full CH set today, Fighterstick, throttle and pedals but having plugged it all in the throttle is dead, absolutley dead. I have a single green light on it but the throttle axis is giving me no feedback whatsoever. I have tested this in this win 10 machine, and I have plugged it into my work laptop, in both cases when I go into the device manager to look at the device and calibrate it, I get nothing, nothing at all.

I chose the CH gear because of the reputation for very high quality, surely this cannot be dead on arrival? What have I missed or not done here? Anyone got any experience or insights?

-Ed
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DOA still happens no matter the quality. In the end everything is subject to the horrors of shipping.

Have I told you about the time that I had 4 different graphics cards damaged in shipping on 4 different occasions, all in the same way, trying to RMA the first one that was damaged in shipping?
 

irtuk

I
Absolutley nothing. It registers every button and every axis on the device with the exception of the throttle itself. It's an RMA and I am mighty off because that's my leisure plan for this weekend shot to bits :(

Here's a short video of what I have done to test it
 
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Windscreen Smudge

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irtuk said:
Absolutley nothing. It registers every button and every axis on the device with the exception of the throttle itself. It's an RMA and I am mighty off because that's my leisure plan for this weekend shot to bits :(
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I hate it for you. At least it's something non-essential, it's not like it's your processor or anything. A keyboard makes an acceptable substitute for a throttle.
 

ElectricZ

ElectricZ
irtuk said:
Absolutley nothing. It registers every button and every axis on the device with the exception of the throttle itself. It's an RMA and I am mighty off because that's my leisure plan for this weekend shot to bits :(

Here's a short video of what I have done to test it
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Well that blows. :( Watched your vid and it certainly looks like the main throttle isn't registering but a minor tremor.

You might have already seen this link in your research, but here's a thread about how having existing mappings already set in Windows can interfere with throttle input like this. Give it a look. Can't hurt!

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php/topic/7476-ch-pro-throttle-usb-axes-nonfunctional/
 

irtuk

I
Thanks for the link. It's not going to be that, I plugged the damn thing into a corporate windows 7 laptop that's never seen a game controlller in it's life and the throttle is dead :(
 
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