Chieftan Only For Alliance CMDRs

[DNA-Decay]

Mic Turner was personally involded in bringing a half dozen systems into the Alliance.
At the time of his death, The Alliance was about 30 systems.
By 3300 we had around 250 systems.
We have seen massive growth since 3300 due to the efforts of Alliance CMDRs and organisations.
Today we stand at 835.

I am suggesting that we are at a time when the Alliance can demand some effort from unaligned CMDRs if they are seeking the resources that the Alliance provides.



The largest shipyards in the bubble used to be AAAI (Argent Aerodynamics Amalgamated Inc) base in New Rossyth.

Lakon and AAAI

My take on it is this:

There is currently NO mention of AAAI (Argent Aerodynamics Amalgamated INC) at any of the Tourist beacons in Alioth.

In the Old Lore, (from the FFE journals) Meredith Argent was the head of AAAI and the largest shipyards in the bubble were at New Rossyth in Alioth system.
In both old and new lore, Mic Turner was a ranking Federation Naval Officer until he hooked up with Meredith Argent and joined the third wave* Caker cells of Alioth.

In the new lore (tourist beacons and GalNet) Meredith is not named as the head of AAAI, but instead she is named as the descendant of Walter Argent a wealthy industrialist who moved to Alioth durning the second wave of Caker uprisings and was (I presume) a Caker sympathiser. The beacons that mention Meredith as having extraordinary wealth also mention that the third wave Caker uprising that lead to the founding of the Alliance were much better funded and organised during the time that Meredith argent was involved in the Caker Cells.


Edmund Mahon is about ten years older than Mic Turner and would have known Mic and Meredith during the third wave Caker uprising. They were contemporaries during the rebellion.

So what I think has happened is this:

Walter Argent founded the corporate infrastructure that became AAAI.
Meredith Argent inherited AAAI before current lore and sold of her stake to Lakon, in order to finance the extraordinary campaign that lead to the Alliance becoming a third superpower. Lakon still have a very close relationship with the Alliance, even so far as having the AEDC host a CG to bring the DBX into the game with a discount station.

The heavy costs of bankrolling the Alliance meant that many of the new Lakon ships were designed 'under-buffed' and it is only now that the Alliance has grown in wealth and power, that Lakon have the resources to devote to the redesign of internal systems.

 

[Mohrgan]

Mic Turner was personally involded in bringing a half dozen systems into the Alliance.
At the time of his death, The Alliance was about 30 systems.
By 3300 we had around 250 systems.
We have seen massive growth since 3300 due to the efforts of Alliance CMDRs and organisations.
Today we stand at 835.

I am suggesting that we are at a time when the Alliance can demand some effort from unaligned CMDRs if they are seeking the resources that the Alliance provides.



The largest shipyards in the bubble used to be AAAI (Argent Aerodynamics Amalgamated Inc) base in New Rossyth.

Lakon and AAAI

My take on it is this:

There is currently NO mention of AAAI (Argent Aerodynamics Amalgamated INC) at any of the Tourist beacons in Alioth.

In the Old Lore, (from the FFE journals) Meredith Argent was the head of AAAI and the largest shipyards in the bubble were at New Rossyth in Alioth system.
In both old and new lore, Mic Turner was a ranking Federation Naval Officer until he hooked up with Meredith Argent and joined the third wave* Caker cells of Alioth.

In the new lore (tourist beacons and GalNet) Meredith is not named as the head of AAAI, but instead she is named as the descendant of Walter Argent a wealthy industrialist who moved to Alioth durning the second wave of Caker uprisings and was (I presume) a Caker sympathiser. The beacons that mention Meredith as having extraordinary wealth also mention that the third wave Caker uprising that lead to the founding of the Alliance were much better funded and organised during the time that Meredith argent was involved in the Caker Cells.


Edmund Mahon is about ten years older than Mic Turner and would have known Mic and Meredith during the third wave Caker uprising. They were contemporaries during the rebellion.

So what I think has happened is this:

Walter Argent founded the corporate infrastructure that became AAAI.
Meredith Argent inherited AAAI before current lore and sold of her stake to Lakon, in order to finance the extraordinary campaign that lead to the Alliance becoming a third superpower. Lakon still have a very close relationship with the Alliance, even so far as having the AEDC host a CG to bring the DBX into the game with a discount station.

The heavy costs of bankrolling the Alliance meant that many of the new Lakon ships were designed 'under-buffed' and it is only now that the Alliance has grown in wealth and power, that Lakon have the resources to devote to the redesign of internal systems.

Sour grapes. What about that equality stuffs those jokers go on about. Now, finally when the Alliance has something to offer, you get all clutchy.

 

[kofeyh]

Sour grapes. What about that equality stuffs those jokers go on about. Now, finally when the Alliance has something to offer, you get all clutchy.

Typical Alliance. "Everyone should be free and equal!" Except you -- *points* -- not you.

 

[rrobes]

Same rules should apply across the board for all power-aligned ships.

If the Alliance gets a rank-locked ship, then anyone can do the grind for it. While you're grinding, you're giving that superpower support.

Once you've finished with your "enlistment" grind you'd be free to go, as it is now.

 

[Mae Tang]

All good ideas, but I think the easiest would be to be at least friendly with the alliance to be able to buy it.
But yeah, something.

Doing this as we speak!

 

[seko]

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Well obviously all the plebs feel entitled and will make some noise; but at this point I think we need to discuss how to keep out the riff raff.

Obviously The Alliance is open to anyone and we don't have ranks and very few permit systems so how should we do this?

Personally I think a historical pledge time to Fat Eddie of maybe uh twenty weeks might be a sufficient barrier to entry. But then there's more to The Alliance than pledging.

For instance sculling a pint of Guinness on comms from Dublin citadel in Gateway. Or donating a bottle of Jamesons to Schlack, Dav and Vectron.

Maybe dropping off a care package for that pilot that Turner Research Group has locked up out in Mahon Research Base. I heard he's on a hunger strike.

Anyway if you've got any practical ways to keep all the Aisling pledges from getting their hands on our lovely Chieftan - I'm all ears.

Maybe something like needing a hundred points on the old "How Alliance are you?" scale.
You know - a point for each week pledged.
A point for each Alliance minor faction you're allied with.
A handful of points for the Alioth permit.
A handful for G5 access with Todd The Blaster.
Maybe having to contribute at a CG.

Something.

I'm going to be very disappointed if it comes in any colour except green.

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[Mohrgan]

Same rules should apply across the board for all power-aligned ships.

If the Alliance gets a rank-locked ship, then anyone can do the grind for it. While you're grinding, you're giving that superpower support.

Once you've finished with your "enlistment" grind you'd be free to go, as it is now.

You'd be better served if you tried to get the T-10 rank locked. I think the Alliance deserves that. One of the Big 4, to call their own.

P.S. Hands off the Chieftain.

 

[Mohrgan]

If we're going to go that route, shouldn't they both be rank locked?

Seriously... they should both be severely rank locked.

I call for a poll.

No. Just the T-10. Big ship. Everybody wants a big ship. Who really cares about just another medium pad sized combat ship? I mean really.

 

[lenna]

I think friendly with the Alliance should be sufficient. I had to grind hard to get those Imperial ships, I will have to grind hard to get the Fed ships, so they should have to grind to get our ships!

Minimum of 75% reputation perhaps, which seems to be the level that any Alliance Ally bottoms out at if they let their Ally standing idle.

 

[cyberus]

If we goin that way... then I strongly recommend that Elite Dangerous itself must be locked as well behind the grind. Need only to figur it out with what we can lock behind.

 

[Conch]

If we goin that way... then I strongly recommend that Elite Dangerous itself must be locked as well behind the grind. Need only to figur it out with what we can lock behind.

Doing dishes, grocery shopping and social interactions... elite is allready behind a grindwall for most people

 

[kofeyh]

If we're going to go that route, shouldn't they both be rank locked?

Seriously... they should both be severely rank locked.

I call for a poll.

I think Frontier have perhaps understood the futility of rank locking ships to powers at this point. It just creates busywork, for the sake of it.

Has it occurred to you, this might be the reason perhaps why the Alliance and Lakon have teamed up, and not say Gutamaya and ALD on behalf of empire? Or “hulk smash” Hudson and Core Dynamics on behalf of Feds?

Or that, maybe, simply it’s some ships are going to be rank unlocked, and others won’t be, and this is just a cool way to achieve it in game? And they’ve bothered to actually create some RP for it, for about the first time ever?

Just a thought.

 

[RamirezKurita]

Considering how the Alliance is simply a conglomerate of numerous otherwise independent systems, rather than making it a proper rank it would make more sense if it were to be rep locked. Just make it so that you need to be allied with an alliance faction within the system in order to buy it, and it gets removed from the shipyard if there are no alliance factions in the system.

 

[DNA-Decay]

If we goin that way... then I strongly recommend that Elite Dangerous itself must be locked as well behind the grind. Need only to figur it out with what we can lock behind.

How about a paywall where you have to put money in every few years?

 

[WR3ND]

How about a paywall where you have to put money in every few years?

Having the LEP myself, that would seem rather... counterproductive.

 

[Goose4291]

Who's this "we", white man?

We, as in the playerbase.

I'm fairly sure Michael Brookes said that the Alliance ranks 'were coming'

 

[DNA-Decay]

I'm fairly sure Michael Brookes said that the Alliance ranks 'were coming'

Fairly sure he's on another project these days.

 

[Rubbernuke]

So now that Eddie is on 104%, does that mean thats one less requirement to own a Chieftan?

 

[Whiterose]

Considering how the Alliance is simply a conglomerate of numerous otherwise independent systems, rather than making it a proper rank it would make more sense if it were to be rep locked. Just make it so that you need to be allied with an alliance faction within the system in order to buy it, and it gets removed from the shipyard if there are no alliance factions in the system.

This. Rank locking an alliance ship would mean I have top rank in Empire, Federation and Alliance. Talk about fickle. You don't need to be a member of Chelsea football club to buy a Chelsea shirt, and lets face it, a Chelsea shirt and the Chieftain would probably cost the same anyway.....