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yes there is;
China has two major regions of natural tropical forest: Hainan Island and Xishuangbanna in the Yunnan Province. The Hainan Province is home to China's only tropical rainforest, which contains 25 percent of China's mammal diversity and 33 percent of the country's bird diversity.
China has two major regions of natural tropical forest: Hainan Island and Xishuangbanna in the Yunnan Province. The Hainan Province is home to China's only tropical rainforest, which contains 25 percent of China's mammal diversity and 33 percent of the country's bird diversity.
No, even Hong Kong not tropical! Subtropical, but no tropical. Than half of America also tropical!
and a quick google search will give you both info and pictures of these tropial areas
Honestly, can't blame them. The game map is quite inaccurate. If North America was made tropical all the way up to the Great Lakes I would also be complaining in the forums.
This issue has been raised before, in detail for the entire globe on this thread:
forums.frontier.co.uk
I hope it is not that hard to fix the main menu map.
This issue has been raised before, in detail for the entire globe on this thread:
Scientific Accuracy Feedback and Factual Suggestions Megathread
Ever since the beta I've noticed the need for such a megathread to compile all the factual feedback given here and there, so we can have everything nice and organized and in one place for it to be easily accessible by the developers and users alike. This is a game many of us have waited for over...
I hope it is not that hard to fix the main menu map.
Honestly, can't blame them. The game map is quite inaccurate. If North America was made tropical all the way up to the Great Lakes I would also be complaining in the forums.
This issue has been raised before, in detail for the entire globe on this thread:
Scientific Accuracy Feedback and Factual Suggestions Megathread
Ever since the beta I've noticed the need for such a megathread to compile all the factual feedback given here and there, so we can have everything nice and organized and in one place for it to be easily accessible by the developers and users alike. This is a game many of us have waited for over...
I hope it is not that hard to fix the main menu map.
The game map doesn't include every biome.
See here? It's innaccurate across the board. It doesn't include alpine tundra, montane forests, monsoon forests, mediterranean scrub, or differentiate between arid and semiarid deserts, grass or tree savannah, and so on and so forth. More to the point, this map also shows tropical rainforests in parts of China, such as Hainan Island. You don't see me complaining about the presence of a tropical zone all across New Zealand in the game, do you?
It's not supposed to be accurate. It's just broad-strokes to get the gist of things.
there is a differnce in climatic zones and life-zones (vegetationszone) to classify flora and fauna and climatic features.
My post was deleted for saying exactly the same thing you just said. What's up with that?
Okay, let me rephrase my point non-politically and on-topic. The southern part of Taiwan is generally considered to be tropical, so the 'sinophere' can be said to be partly tropical.
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Please keep discussion to English please so we can moderate effectively (except for the appropriate language sub forums)
Is there a Chinese subforum?
so you are furious about a pin on the virtual globe in the menue of the game in fc-mode? that pin is always in cambodia, anyway ^^ and it is determinded by choosing the continent and the biome. there is no option to play in a certain country. if you dont like the tropical biome, just chose another one in asia. the problem, you talk about, does not exist in game. or is it a option in the other game modes, i never play?
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I'm a bit confused about this one too.. You don't have to pick tropical. And people are pointed out the tropical parts in that area.
You can absolutely choose a specific country. You just click on the globe in the exact spot you want to build your zoo. The zoo I'm building right now is basically smack bang in the middle of the Perth and Kinross area of Scotland, for example.
In fact China does have a tiny bit of an area that actually has a tropical climate, but it's less than 1% of the surface area of the country. The issue you are so frustrated about is probably how much space it takes up on the map; more than half the country. The fact is, it shouldn't. But this problem isn't specific only to China. A lot of places in the Eastern and Southern Hemispheres have the same problem. Japan, New Zealand, Southern/Eastern Australia, Tasmania, Southern Andes, Tierra del Fuego and even some islands off Antarctica that should have been tundra are marked tropical.
Although there are factual inaccuracies, I don't think it was intentional or discriminatory like you've suggested. Frontier is based in the UK with most of its developers from Europe. Therefore it is an understandable mistake when you consider where you live is your point of reference when you design something. Therefore such mistakes can occur unintentionally when grouping up biomes from sources you find. That being said, I do understand and respect your concerns about it, since most of the errors are 'pro-North Atlantic' if you will. I had also found it a bit odd when I was compiling all the biome suggestions under one title when preparing my accuracy feedback thread, but I never thought about it the way you did. I simply see them as honest mistakes that need to be corrected.
I would like to summarize and correct a few mistakes made on this thread.
1) From a climatic point of view regions of China are as follows:
- Map 1 and Map 2 show the climatic regions of China according to the -3 and 0 degrees Celsius continentality thermoclines respectively. I've used arrows to point to the tropical regions on both maps for easy browsing. Tropical region in Xishuangbanna on the first map is rather difficult to spot - needs downloading and zooming to spot the blue area. For comparison, according to the first map's thermocline Boston, MA would be subtropical, and according to the second map NYC would be subtropical.
- Map 3 is from a scientific paper that was used for the second map. Regions outside the temperate zone are marked in red.
- Map 4 shows the broad categorization of biomes of China according to the latest and most comprehensive map. The subtropical region is limited to light green, which is roughly half the area shown as tropical on the game's map.
3) Only Southern Florida in the United States has a true tropical climate; Louisiana or Central Florida doesn't have a tropical climate. They lie in the subtropical zone.
As it is a game with broad stroke representation of biomes like you suggested, I don't see any problems with grouping up several biomes into one. Especially:
- Alpine tundra and tundra as 'tundra' - they are climatically and bioclimatically pretty much the same thing, one being affected by elevation the other latitude.
- Subalpine montane forests and taiga as 'coniferous forests/taiga' - same as above
- Temperate grasslands, tree or grass savannahs, Mediterranean scrub, tropical dry forests as 'grasslands'
- Monsoon and tropical rainforests as 'tropical'
- Semi-arid deserts and deserts as 'desert' etc.
And this issue isn't exclusive to this case. For instance, temperate rainforests of the Pacific Northwest are marked as Taiga vs New Zealand's temperate rainforests being marked as tropical. Mediterranean scrub region in Spain is marked as Taiga but regions with the same climate in Western Asia are marked as Grassland. Temperate broadleaf forests and tundra of Southern South America are marked tropical when temperate regions of Norway are marked tundra. For more examples you can refer to my thread.
For these reasons alone, I understand and respect people's concerns even if I don't think Frontier is being discriminative on purpose as I've described earlier. To prevent such concerns the game map requires a revision to fix the errors within its own logic of grouping up biomes.
Apart from properly translating the source map into the game, the map you linked (which is also used for the map of the game) is a simplistic hand drawn map with serious errors. A few examples:
- New Zealand has a temperate climate both climatically and bioclimatically.
- Southeastern United states isn't a subtropical rainforest, it is a conifer savannah. An area that doesn't even qualify as fully humid is marked as a rainforest (one tier above humid), while it is actually closer to the semi-arid end of the spectrum (several tiers below humid).
- Temperate and coniferous regions in Asia Minor are marked as semi-arid steppe.
Surely, but we also need to keep in mind that the game's biomes are more than just foliage tags, they represent both climatic factors and vegetation on game maps. Nonetheless, both the climate classification system used (Köppen-Geiger) and the ecoregional classification (Olson et al. 2001) use natural local vegetation to calculate climates/determine ecoregions.
Conclusion: Hainan Island (except the northern coast and highlands) and a tiny bit of the Myanmar/Laos border should remain tropical. Depending on which map is used, the rest of mainland China should be excluded from the tropical zone and included into the temperate zone as done in the case of Southeastern North America (except Southern Florida) as I described earlier. Otherwise we will also have to deal with more discrepancy; such as why Giant Pandas (and its not the only example - pretty much all animals) in the game don't have tropical instead of temperate (or other biomes for other animals). Everything is interlinked, and should be treated as such to avoid inconsistency and discrepancy.
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Literally nothing else needs to be said. Honestly the rest of your post just feels like your playing Devil's Advocate.
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