Clean Drive Tuning is Pointless
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I had luck getting them from satellites in encoded emission sources around Earth Like worlds.
Sorry for not responding to this thread for a while, still haven't gotten around to testing as it is quite tedious and requires a decent chunk of time to complete. I should have plenty of time tomorrow, so expect my results then.
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did any1 do a quick test on beta server?
something may have changed under the hood ?
something may have changed under the hood ?
The extra set of tests took some time, but I've got the results, and they actually line up pretty close to my heat calculations that I made for the different thruster types.
Procedure:
For this set of tests the same initial procedure as the previous silent running tests. The test began with the throttle at 100%, however instead of leaving the throttle at 100%, it was altered to -100% before max cruising speed could be reached. Once the ship neared the maximum reverse speed, the throttle was moved back to 100%; this process was repeated until the ship heat reached 100% at which point the timer was stopped.
Results:
Conclusion:
The T-Test in this case indicates that there is a significant difference between dirty drives and the other two drive types tested. However, it is worth noting that Clean drives did not perform significantly better than the standard drives in silent running in any of the tests performed. Taking into account that Clean drives also have an optimal multiplier increase it can be concluded that clean drives are the superior choice if the ship is intended to spend prolonged periods of time in silent running. In any situation that does not involve spending long periods of time in silent running dirty drives are the superior choice.
In conclusion, clean drive tuning is not a "useless" mod as I originally asserted as it has a niche use in silent running. However, clean drive tuning does have a misleading name in so far that clean drives do not provide any advantage over dirty drives outside of silent running.
Recommendation:
In light of this I recommend that the name of "Clean Drive Tuning" be changed to something along the lines of "Enhanced Silent Drive Tuning" to more stress what role they are useful in. I also advocate for the creation of a new drive mod: "Efficient Drive Tuning" which would reduce thruster mass, thermal load, and power draw; this mod should also reduce drive integrity and potentially the optimal multiplier. This new efficient drive tuning would be the mod of choice for explorers who wish to increase their fuel economy and keep their heat low for fuel scooping near stars.
Procedure:
For this set of tests the same initial procedure as the previous silent running tests. The test began with the throttle at 100%, however instead of leaving the throttle at 100%, it was altered to -100% before max cruising speed could be reached. Once the ship neared the maximum reverse speed, the throttle was moved back to 100%; this process was repeated until the ship heat reached 100% at which point the timer was stopped.
Results:
Conclusion:
The T-Test in this case indicates that there is a significant difference between dirty drives and the other two drive types tested. However, it is worth noting that Clean drives did not perform significantly better than the standard drives in silent running in any of the tests performed. Taking into account that Clean drives also have an optimal multiplier increase it can be concluded that clean drives are the superior choice if the ship is intended to spend prolonged periods of time in silent running. In any situation that does not involve spending long periods of time in silent running dirty drives are the superior choice.
In conclusion, clean drive tuning is not a "useless" mod as I originally asserted as it has a niche use in silent running. However, clean drive tuning does have a misleading name in so far that clean drives do not provide any advantage over dirty drives outside of silent running.
Recommendation:
In light of this I recommend that the name of "Clean Drive Tuning" be changed to something along the lines of "Enhanced Silent Drive Tuning" to more stress what role they are useful in. I also advocate for the creation of a new drive mod: "Efficient Drive Tuning" which would reduce thruster mass, thermal load, and power draw; this mod should also reduce drive integrity and potentially the optimal multiplier. This new efficient drive tuning would be the mod of choice for explorers who wish to increase their fuel economy and keep their heat low for fuel scooping near stars.
Nice one.
Kinda sum up close to my original thoughts on the matter.
When there is a performance requirement then Dirty will be better. I have clean drives fitted to my ASP-S currently and I'm more than happy with the performance from them.
Just for fun I stuck on my dirty drives (both are decent rolls for their respective mods) and noticed straight away that I was running approx 4-5% hotter from the get go. Now I don't have heat issues in my setup and didn't have any when I put the DD's in apart from maybe a bit quick heat warning when prolonged usage of my beams but tbh I usually ran out of cap before it was an issue, I just wouldn't get a warning when the clean drivers were fitted.
Not exactly and engineered test but...
I'd like to see maybe a bit better heat function from clean drives and keep the performance as is.
Nice work.
Kinda sum up close to my original thoughts on the matter.
When there is a performance requirement then Dirty will be better. I have clean drives fitted to my ASP-S currently and I'm more than happy with the performance from them.
Just for fun I stuck on my dirty drives (both are decent rolls for their respective mods) and noticed straight away that I was running approx 4-5% hotter from the get go. Now I don't have heat issues in my setup and didn't have any when I put the DD's in apart from maybe a bit quick heat warning when prolonged usage of my beams but tbh I usually ran out of cap before it was an issue, I just wouldn't get a warning when the clean drivers were fitted.
Not exactly and engineered test but...
I'd like to see maybe a bit better heat function from clean drives and keep the performance as is.
Nice work.
You know, I might be utterly stupid...
But when I think of "clean" drives or engines or whatever, I think of lower fuel consumption, worse overall performance (but better performance per unit of fuel) , and a lower power usage and heat output.
What in Baator's wake the current clean drives are supposed to accomplish, I have no idea. "Clean" drives taking more power to run? Why?
I just hurt myself in confusion. And it's Duke-Leto-Bbiting-his-poison-tooth-grade confusion...
But when I think of "clean" drives or engines or whatever, I think of lower fuel consumption, worse overall performance (but better performance per unit of fuel) , and a lower power usage and heat output.
What in Baator's wake the current clean drives are supposed to accomplish, I have no idea. "Clean" drives taking more power to run? Why?
I just hurt myself in confusion. And it's Duke-Leto-Bbiting-his-poison-tooth-grade confusion...
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That's what my conclusion and recommendation are getting at, "Clean Drive Tuning" doesn't make sense as a name for what they do.
so in a nutshell,
"clean drives" are as usefull as "fast boot FSD"
the later are also a niche mod for someone who shuts down FSD when deploying weapons,
or often fights someone deploying FSD breaker missiles.
"clean drives" are as usefull as "fast boot FSD"
the later are also a niche mod for someone who shuts down FSD when deploying weapons,
or often fights someone deploying FSD breaker missiles.
Many Thanks for that and all your efforts
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Konnivar again.
Forgive me for not checking, given this is a "Heat & Power" study, have you looked at the Reinforced Drives?
http://inara.cz/galaxy-blueprint/5/
You can get a -50% on your Thermal Load without any power increase. Granted these drives would hit your jump range, but could be good for silent runners?
http://inara.cz/galaxy-blueprint/5/
You can get a -50% on your Thermal Load without any power increase. Granted these drives would hit your jump range, but could be good for silent runners?
i don't know. silent runner are hull-tanks, so increased module integrity may be good. but unless you have a secondary roll that lowers the passive powerdrain, i see not much point going for a high grade roll here.
Forgive the necro-bump, but if the OP is still around, it'd be nice if the links in the OP could be updated; the forum-system shift a while back changed the forum link structure around.
Here's the fixed links:
forums.frontier.co.uk
forums.frontier.co.uk
forums.frontier.co.uk
forums.frontier.co.uk
Here's the fixed links:
Clean Drive Tuning is Pointless
Nice work! Keep at it. I'm looking forward to seeing what is causing the change is heat from expected results. Might even help FD 'fix' the issue if you find out :)
Clean Drive Tuning is Pointless
Nice work! Keep at it. I'm looking forward to seeing what is causing the change is heat from expected results. Might even help FD 'fix' the issue if you find out :)
Clean Drive Tuning is Pointless
I acknowledge that CDT is most likely superior when it comes to silent running as SR is more affected by thermal load. The Dolphin and T7 did both have some temperature fluctuation when using vertical and lateral thrusters that could increase the heat up to 2%, however none of the other ships...
Clean Drive Tuning is Pointless
Very interesting testing I have always been keep on the concept of the Clean Drives, putting both clean drives and low emissions mods on my ships. Shame it isn't really what one imagines As a side note where have people been getting the ACED for the Grade 5 Clean drive blue prints?
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Aside from the fact you could have reported the post and asked a moderator to update the linksForgive the necro-bump, but if the OP is still around, it'd be nice if the links in the OP could be updated; the forum-system shift a while back changed the forum link structure around.
Here's the fixed links:
Clean Drive Tuning is Pointless
Nice work! Keep at it. I'm looking forward to seeing what is causing the change is heat from expected results. Might even help FD 'fix' the issue if you find out :)Clean Drive Tuning is Pointless
Nice work! Keep at it. I'm looking forward to seeing what is causing the change is heat from expected results. Might even help FD 'fix' the issue if you find out :)Clean Drive Tuning is Pointless
I acknowledge that CDT is most likely superior when it comes to silent running as SR is more affected by thermal load. The Dolphin and T7 did both have some temperature fluctuation when using vertical and lateral thrusters that could increase the heat up to 2%, however none of the other ships...Clean Drive Tuning is Pointless
Very interesting testing I have always been keep on the concept of the Clean Drives, putting both clean drives and low emissions mods on my ships. Shame it isn't really what one imagines As a side note where have people been getting the ACED for the Grade 5 Clean drive blue prints?
All of these tests were done before the Engineering rework in 2018, so they are not applicable at all to the current system. For that reason I am going to lock the thread. If you want to do some tests on the current Clean Drive Tuning, then feel free.
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