Why do we get random messages, Tip-Off, triggered by running missions or doing combat activities but no Tip-Off when doing exploration activities (well, I haven't)? Imho that's where rumours could/should start.
What? No.
"Rumors" were always going to be something Frontier added/activated themselves. There is no player action that will cause a rumor to appear in the codex. The rest of your description is accurate.
Now, what I thought you were staying earlier is basically "well Frontier already added the objects/sites/etc into the game that they were gonna hint at with codex rumors, but people found everything too fast before they could add the rumors into the codex". If that's NOT what you were saying then I guess I misunderstood. If that really is your argument, well, I don't think it makes any sense, for the reason stated last time: They would have had at least SOME codex rumors to go with the new hidden things at launch, but they didn't have even a single one. So I don't think "players found stuff too fast" holds as any kind of even speculative explanation for why we have NEVER, not once, ever have we never ever never ever had a Codex Rumor in the game.
Definitely some crossed wires somewhere!
For clarity, I wasn't saying that player action could cause a rumour to appear in the codex.
What I thought you were saying is that your take on the discovery process was that in general it would always follow a pattern where it started with a rumour (done by FD), which would then become Reported when the first player finds whatever has been rumoured, and is then Confirmed by individual players as they find it (or other instances of it).
My point is that the first bit is completely optional and FD would only use the mechanism if they needed to.
So for:
Not quite. Yes for the first half and no for the second. To just use that wording what I'm saying is:
'well Frontier already added the objects/sites/etc into the game that they were gonna hint at with codex rumors, but due to the speed with which people were/are finding things there has been no need for them to invoke the Rumours mechanism.'
So, just to come back to another part from your post,
What I'm missing here is the rationale behind why they would have needed to have codex rumours for launch.
With the use of the Rumours mechanism being optional and at FD's discretion, then there's no reason they would have to have any rumours in place at launch, rather they would only have them in at launch if they felt they needed to have rumours seeded at launch. Point then being that given the speed with which things were being discovered in the Beta compared to with the old mechanics, there's nothing to suggest FD would have thought there was any need to invoke the Rumours mechanism for the actual launch.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying though.
Thanks for playing along. I get what you mean now and it does indeed make sense. And yeah, I guess it's possible that Frontier just decided that Rumors were an unnecessary vestigal feature that they never needed to actually use. It wouldn't be the first time; they launched PowerPlay without having anything in place to deal with power collapse or the rise of new powers, and they never ever did anything about it, after all. My working assumption (never a safe thing) is always that the feature they say is going to be in the game at launch will be in there unless they state otherwise. In the case of Codex Rumors, it's extremely counterintuitive to me that they would have the feature running and ready to go, but wouldn't bother throwing out a few Rumors at launch since that's part of how the whole package is supposed to work in the first place. It's entirely plausible, though, that they watched the beta and concluded "meh, people are finding stuff on their own fast enough anyway, why bother?" and scrapped any plans to add rumors into the game altogether, so OK consider my mind changed.Definitely some crossed wires somewhere!
For clarity, I wasn't saying that player action could cause a rumour to appear in the codex.
What I thought you were saying is that your take on the discovery process was that in general it would always follow a pattern where it started with a rumour (done by FD), which would then become Reported when the first player finds whatever has been rumoured, and is then Confirmed by individual players as they find it (or other instances of it).
My point is that the first bit is completely optional and FD would only use the mechanism if they needed to.
So for:
Not quite. Yes for the first half and no for the second. To just use that wording what I'm saying is:
'well Frontier already added the objects/sites/etc into the game that they were gonna hint at with codex rumors, but due to the speed with which people were/are finding things there has been no need for them to invoke the Rumours mechanism.'
So, just to come back to another part from your post,
What I'm missing here is the rationale behind why they would have needed to have codex rumours for launch.
With the use of the Rumours mechanism being optional and at FD's discretion, then there's no reason they would have to have any rumours in place at launch, rather they would only have them in at launch if they felt they needed to have rumours seeded at launch. Point then being that given the speed with which things were being discovered in the Beta compared to with the old mechanics, there's nothing to suggest FD would have thought there was any need to invoke the Rumours mechanism for the actual launch.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying though.
This brings up an interesting point - are we 100% certain that there never were any rumors in the codex at any point, even bugged ones?Nothing concrete no I'm afraid. I may have gotten a bit more insight if it had of been a one on one chat, but there were still other people who were intent on nosing in on conversations
One thing I really miss and have talked to people at FD about are the Treasure Hunts. It would be great to see Galnet used to point you to a rumour in that way.
I have somewhat of a reputation for labouring points around exploration, so even people who I know and get on quite well with at FD are slightly wary
Except for the fact that the Codex was broken for a long time and it wasn't pulling the information through properly for other regions, so even if there was a Rumour you wouldn't have seen it unless you happened to be in that region.
Ozric
Volunteer Moderator
It's entirely possible that someone found something that was supposed to be found through a rumour, without looking in the Codex beforehand and noticing a rumour. Though we must have had all regions covered on launch and I'm sure pretty much every explorer would have at least opened the Codex to check for rumours.
However we have no idea if when a rumour is found it is marked in a special way in the Codex, so who knows...
The Codex is an interesting creature to say the least. At this point, I'm not convinced there ever have been any Rumors, and I don't recall seeing any during the beta either.
My thought at this point is, Rumors are there as a mechanism for future content. Which would be just fine. Let's say Frontier decides to add another space-faring alien species to the mix. Rumors could then be populated into the Codex to encourage people to go to some far-flung place and see if there's any truth to these. It wouldn't be a bad way to go.
My thought at this point is, Rumors are there as a mechanism for future content. Which would be just fine. Let's say Frontier decides to add another space-faring alien species to the mix. Rumors could then be populated into the Codex to encourage people to go to some far-flung place and see if there's any truth to these. It wouldn't be a bad way to go.
Ozric
Volunteer Moderator
It would be great. I believe they intended on using them, they just haven't done yet.
My hope for them was that they would tie in with the kidnapping of Halsey and Palin and maybe a Galnet article would appear with someone else's escape pod being recovered. When they were revived they would talk about the caretakers, and they would determine the region of space for us to go and look in. Maybe fully functional Guardians, maybe something new...
I mean feel free to use it FD
Rumour: Somebody found some things in a previously <permit locked sector>...
I have a feeling that it will have something to do with the paid update later this year.
What's a rumour anyway in-game? A story line to follow? Or just another RNG roll for a chance to visit some unique location?
Welcome to Elite Dangerous. Home to other dead and/or half-baked features like:
Multi-crew
Galnet
Galnet Audio (dead within a year of launch?)
Community Goals
Interstellar Initiatives (dead within a year of launch?)
Powerplay
CQC (but this now has a pulse with the last update)
Yep, kind of depressing. Really hope they've something great in store for the end of the year update.
I can understand the focus on that update, but giving the player base a few tiny crumbles in between (like some CGs, Rumours, Galnet Articles etc) wouldn't cost that much resources but keep a lot of people satisfied and playing the game. There are the FCs obviously, but they're not for me with the upkeep costs (as I take a break from the game from time to time).
What happened to the overhauled ice planets btw? Nvm, derailing the thread due to disappointment.
Lol, this was a good laugh, thanks.
Can codex rumors be dead if they've never been alive? Not even a single heartbeat.