Hardware & Technical coffe lake kills ryzen

jmg

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or so it seems... new coffelakes not only kick ryzen's top dog in single core performance, 8700k does it with fewer cores.

looks like we're in a revival of the CPU wars... more cores, more power, lower prices. Love it.
 

Para Handy

Para Handy
Well at least is isn't PvP vs PvE, let's sit back and watch the Intel v AMD "handbags at dawn" ... ;)


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Zak Gordon

Zak Gordon
Price is really where Intel falls down, and is a large part behind the recent success of AMD. Having said that as an energy saver nut, I've been using Intel (and Nvidia for GPU) because they win in that department. I choose to pay more to save on my energy usage (obviously i'd prefer to pay less!), and it was great with Ryzen to see AMD finally start to close the gap in that, i hope they keep pushing that efficiency curve as my next build is likely to be a Ryzen one.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
The price of AMD always wins for me (because I'm perpetually poor).

When i was choosing which CPU to buy, it was a choice between an i5 3500k for £165, or an AMD FX 8320 for £90.

Lol

No. Contest. Couldn't justify the price difference. AMD won. :)

Admittedly, I needed to spend another £20 on a CPU cooler, because the stock one is designed to allow you to fry eggs on your PC aswell (multipurpose, you see. PC-Grill combo...! Lol)
But if I picked the Intel CPU, i probably would have brought a CPU cooler anyway.
However, if money wasn't an issue, I'd pick based on heat and performance over anything else.
Cooler is quieter, and quieter is better.

:)

But I won't be upgrading my PCs CPU any time soon. Unless I get a new job. Lol

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
 

jmg

J
yup, it's like the 90s and 00's all over again.
AMD's are cheap room heaters that are almost good enough. Intel chips are efficient monsters that cost a premium.
I'll always go the efficient monster route -- I don't mind paying more for quality.
I also think marketing yourself as a company as the "cheap and almost as good" alternative is long-term self destructive, but hey, that's AMD's choice. What do I know... they're still around after everyone predicted their death for years. And there was that one shining year or two when they were the best (*cough* *cough* netburst *cough*)

But regardless, I'm enjoying prospects for cheaper chips with quicker releases, and we have AMD to thank for that. IF coffee lake releases a 15 core version, I may upgrade my 6950x.
 
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Shadowdancer

Shadowdancer
The Chairmaker said:
Were they lack is in absolute horsepower.
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… in benchmarks. They're also readily available, whereas intel has a bit of a Nintendo situation going on :p

The screwed up thing with the CPU market is that most people (and most applications) really don't even need the performance. Check out Destiny 2; release version doesn't run on Phenom 2 CPUs because it uses an instruction set the chips don't support; even the broke-butt beta ran perfectly fine on those chips though.

I recently updated to a Ryzen¹ from an FX-6300 which didn't perform much better than the Phenom 2 X6 I had before and sold off to a friend who is happily using it. That thing is close enough to the current top performers, but do I see much of a real, tangible improvement in games and image processing? Only if I squint really hard and break out the stopwatch and FPS counters.

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¹ top-end chip with a mainboard that has all the features I need and ECC RAM for ~575€, CPU and board would now be down to ~350€, RAM is expensive as hell until the next cartel busting action; if I had tried to do that with intel parts, ECC support alone would have meant a Xeon with the appropriate board and the attached price tag of maybe twice that, and even without that requirement, their consumer chips on that performance level were never competitive.
 
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duckofdeath

duckofdeath
That was always going to happen. Let's all thank AMD for forcing Intel to skip a couple of money grab "generation updates", ahead to something performing noticeably better than last year's model.
I mean, I have a 4th gen Intel in my ageing PC. And that generation really isn't that much slower than the 6th gen from last year. I shouldn't be able to play new games with ultra settings but most of the times I still can.
 

jmg

J
duckofdeath said:
That was always going to happen. Let's all thank AMD for forcing Intel to skip a couple of money grab "generation updates", ahead to something performing noticeably better than last year's model.
I mean, I have a 4th gen Intel in my ageing PC. And that generation really isn't that much slower than the 6th gen from last year. I shouldn't be able to play new games with ultra settings but most of the times I still can.
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yeah. kaby lake was a panic-reaction by intel, which I see zero compelling reason to buy over an existing haswell or broadwell system. Coffee lake looks promising though.
I'm hoping we see more of this -- amd one-ups intel by dropping prices, intel one ups by releasing even more powerful chips.
 

Mr Flibble

Mr Flibble
jmg said:
yup, it's like the 90s and 00's all over again.
AMD's are cheap room heaters that are almost good enough. Intel chips are efficient monsters that cost a premium.
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You do realise that intel P4 was a sack with poor performance and clock speeds so high you could cook your dinner?
AMD Athlon was faster per clock, cooler and cheaper.
Intel were given massive fines for anticompetitive practices (bribing dell etc to only sell intel), but by then the damage was done:(

FYI the Ryzen team was headed by the same guy as the original Athlon.
 
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Shadowdancer

Shadowdancer
Mr Flibble said:
You do realise that intel P4 was a sack of *"$t with poor performance and clock speeds so high you could cook your dinner?
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Oh god yes, the Netburst architecture, what a sack of crap that was. I think that was the only general purpose CPU ever witch such a high latency (when your CPU lags out...) that I saw some software advising against using technically more performant settings because it would straight out tank on those chips.

Or remember intel dragging their feet when 64bit architectures came around, because their had their "cool" Itanium somewhere in a corner that was so "great" they had to bribe HP into using it, and now it's only still alive by court order on behalf of Oracle? Took AMD to come out with a chip that had a decent 64bit ISA and still ran 32bit software perfectly fine. (Not that I necessarily think that backwards compatibility was a good thing, the x86 architecture sucks hard in too many areas, but still, there you had affordable hardware that you could run your Linux with lots of RAM on, because you sure didn't want to dig into the sewage pipeline that was 64bit Windows XP, and still boot back into any piece of consumer software that played games.)

A bit later, the Core 2 Duo was the best CPU that AMD ever made happen ;) (And yes, the Core chips from then on were on a significantly higher level of performance than AMD's offerings, but due to the aforementioned shortcomings in selective feature upsells, I never thought of them as competitive.)

Or the first i7, that was just premium sucker bait.
 

Brett C

Frontier
Mr Flibble said:
You do realise that intel P4 was a sack of - with poor performance and clock speeds so high you could cook your dinner?
AMD Athlon was faster per clock, cooler and cheaper.
Intel were given massive fines for anticompetitive practices (bribing dell etc to only sell intel), but by then the damage was done:(

FYI the Ryzen team was headed by the same guy as the original Athlon.
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Intel Pentium 4 series was a proper foot-warmer, cooker, room-heater when given a good stress test. Was a great CPU for its time way back when. Just had severe heat issues.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
I didn't know much about specs and processors and stuff when I was young(er), and I had a cook AMD Athlon something-or-other.

It was brilliant, but I got the upgrade bug, and went to PC world (first mistake), and they convinced me, a certain Pentium 4 was better than what I had.
So i brought it.

When I got home, and ran a few games (after transferring my GPU over).

Then immediately took out the motherboard, ram and processor, and stuck my Athlon back in. Lol

I really should have taken the PC back. I was well and truly ripped off. Lol

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
 

popuptoaster

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I don't care which is better, as long as there is more than one company bringing relevant chips to market the prices and specs should improve for everyone.
 
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