Cohabitation & Overpopulation Concern

[Jurassic_DX]

Not really sure if this is intended or not, but I have encountered a peculiar issue while playing Challenge Mode (Hard - Germany) with some Chasmosaurs in my park. They are sharing an enclosure with other tolerated/Liked species, but as soon as I dropped 3-4 Chasmosaurs in--the last species for the enclosure-- it didn't take long for them to start fighting with each other constantly. Naturally, I assumed it was a dominance issue even though I was pretty sure I only released one with an explicit dominance trait. Anyhow, it would always be 1 Chasmosaur fighting with the Alpha and usually getting injured before eventually getting killed then another of the Chasmosaurs would then start fighting with the Alpha when the other was gone. Yet, when I checked their dominance, the highest dominance Chasmo was the Alpha with the Social gene, all other Chasmosaurs had no traits or Fit only. Their infamy was also nonexistent and the Alpha was the one winning the battles anyhow, so it should have had even more dominance, yet the persistent fighting continued.

I made sure all their environmental needs were intact except their Cohabitation was slightly in the red. I paid it no mind since their overall comfort was in the 70s-80s range and this worked with other species I had before. So long as I took care of their other needs, I could have some stats slightly below the threshold and they would be fine. However, this did remind me that in JWE dinosaurs would fight and get highly uncomfortable if they were sharing a space with too many other animals. JWE2 is less forthcoming about if this is still in play, I assume it is, but I just wanted some clarification on this matter. Mind you this was pretty annoying since they would keep getting sick---usually with the Common Cold---because I presume Cohabitation is an environmental need. Germany on Hard has a lot of disease proliferation added on top of this, so those Chasmos were a nightmare.

For some added context this is the breakdown of the other creatures in the enclosure with the Chasmosaurs:

• x3 Camarasaurus
• x4 Pachycephalosaurus
• x2 Euoplocephalus

If anyone can confirm whether aggression induced by cohabitation issues is a thing or not, I would appreciate it.

 

[rolyat]

As far as i know cohabitation issues start to happen not only when they interact with a non liked species, but also when there are too many dinosaur species in the enclosure. I can only put 3 different species at most every time no matter how big the enclosure is. As you said, in the moment you add one more, chaos start to happen. Unfortunately this is something that carried on from JWE. Also hervivores fight each other constantly, in the moment you talk about ceratopsids or ankylosaurids. I still dont know why. I had to turn off hervivore fighting in sandmode because it was incredibly annoying. And it wont be so annoying if it wasnt for the fact that EVERY FRIKKIN TIME they fight, they end up with a concussion, internal trauma or whatever disease that needs to be treated in the paleo medical facility. Always the same story. Its pretty ridiculous.

 

[Jurassic_DX]

Boggles my mind a bit at how limiting some of these species are when you are already limited pretty often by the fact they dislike other members of their family tree. Chasmo is also quite a small dino and this was a huge enclosure that none of the other animals had a problem with but I guess they are just picky. Ceratopsids and Ankylosaurids are supposed to like each other, I was very careful to check which animals would be fine with each other before I made the exhibit, I started with Camara and Euoplo since their environmental needs are more picky.

Thanks for the response, if this is a feature then it needs some rebalancing. Germany in Challenge Mode is rather annoying mostly because you can't genetically modify your animals and boy is that a tall order with sauropods which pretty much have to have the Humble trait. I thought we had solved Mr. Tree's obsession, but lest here we are again.

 

[rolyat]

Hm. How is it possible that 5 olorotitans and 4 oraunusaurus sharing the same enclosure have already the cohabitation bar half filled near to the threshold point????? i just realized this. I was going to release another species on the enclosure, but looking at the bar i just cant do it. Four more dinosaurs of other species is going to make them start having cohabitation issues. I thought the limit was three species at the same time.. now i cant even release more than two? . . .

Is this some sort of bug?

 

[Jens Erik]

So the thing about species' environmental needs is that it increases when you add in more dinosaurs to a group. So if you have 3 Triceratops living fairly comfortably in an enclosure, adding in 1 or 2 more will cause their overall needs threshold to grow. They'll need more space, more vegetation, all that stuff.

It's likely this is what's happening.

 

[Jurassic_DX]

So the thing about species' environmental needs is that it increases when you add in more dinosaurs to a group. So if you have 3 Triceratops living fairly comfortably in an enclosure, adding in 1 or 2 more will cause their overall needs threshold to grow. They'll need more space, more vegetation, all that stuff.

It's likely this is what's happening.

Thanks for the clarification Jens.

 

[rolyat]

So the thing about species' environmental needs is that it increases when you add in more dinosaurs to a group. So if you have 3 Triceratops living fairly comfortably in an enclosure, adding in 1 or 2 more will cause their overall needs threshold to grow. They'll need more space, more vegetation, all that stuff.

It's likely this is what's happening.

No, thats not whats happening. Of course we already know that. But Olorotitans and ouranosaurus dont have any dislike cohabitation issues. And the enclosure was huge. So, either its a bug or a really bad implemented mechanic. Im pretty sure its the latter because im experimenting really bizarre cohabitation issues as of late. Maybe not issues, its just how the game works.. unfortunately. I thought this was gonna be improved in JWE2.

 

[Jens Erik]

Hey again,

If your dinosaurs are neutral towards each other (they are not on each others' likes or dislikes list), they will still fill up each others' cohabitation bars. Different species have different cohabitation limits, and those limits will change based on how many dinosaurs there are in a group.

 

[Aramus418]

It works this way:
Like= "I'm fine with them being around. In fact, no amount of their unwashed hordes could ever bother me." (completely compatible, but fights can still sometimes happen)
Neutral= "I'm... ok... with a few of them, but too many makes me anxious." (compatible, but a balance must be found)
Dislike= "NO! Absolutely not! I would never suffer even a single one of them!" (dealbreaker. completely incompatible. Once a single one enters the territory the whole herd loses their lizard-brained minds)

In other words "Like" isn't a positive boon; it is the true neutral "unbothered" state. While "neutral" and "dislike" are more similar to differing degrees of distaste.

 

[luispaistallon]

I HAVE and IDEA . Frontier should add the the hervibores the COHABIT WITH THE SPECIES FROM THE MOVIES.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN JP3 PARA LIVES WITH CORY(RAPTOR CHASE). STEGO, BRACH, ANKY AND PARA LIVE TOGETHER(RIVER SCENE)

THE ATTRACTIONS OF JURASSIC WORLD:

-Cretaceous river( Apato, Stego, Para and Micro( the last when or if frontier release the dominion uptade pack))

-Gallimimus Valley ( Gallimimus, Para, Edmonto, Apato)

-Gyrosphere ( Anky, Apato, Para, Sino, Trice, Stego, Trice, Brachio)

Also, looks like in Dominion Trice, Sino and Nasuto are gonna live together. Due to the last tv spot)

 

[Jens Erik]

It works this way:
Like= "I'm fine with them being around. In fact, no amount of their unwashed hordes could ever bother me." (completely compatible, but fights can still sometimes happen)
Neutral= "I'm... ok... with a few of them, but too many makes me anxious." (compatible, but a balance must be found)
Dislike= "NO! Absolutely not! I would never suffer even a single one of them!" (dealbreaker. completely incompatible. Once a single one enters the territory the whole herd loses their lizard-brained minds)

In other words "Like" isn't a positive boon; it is the true neutral "unbothered" state. While "neutral" and "dislike" are more similar to differing degrees of distaste.

Could have said it better myself! Thanks Aramus <3

 

[rolyat]

And yet again, you guys fail to see the problem. 4 members of one species and other 4-5 of other species, if they dont dislike each other, should NEVER EVER have cohabitation issues. Not even the cohabitation bar should be even at the threshold point. Thats the whole problem, we already know the basics of how cohabiation system works. In theory everything is fine, in-game its a complete mess.

 

[Gondwana]

No, it seems you don't get it. As other members already clarified, even if they are neutral (neither dislike nor like) to each other, the needs of them will increase, since there are more individuals in one enclosure. I mean, that would also happen in real life, it's common sense.

So, those problems wouldn't occur if they would LIKE each other, but since they don't, their needs will increase

 

[Jens Erik]

So, those problems wouldn't occur if they would LIKE each other, but since they don't, their needs will increase

Yup, this!

If your dinosaurs are neutral towards other species, their cohabitation bar will fill up. The cohabitation limit will change based on how many individuals there are in a single group. If your dinosaurs like each other, then the cohabitation bar won't fill up.

 

[rolyat]

Right, so why this doesnt happpen with ANY other species? only with OT and OR? see the issue here?
And again no. In a huge enclosure and with only 4 members of each species, there should be no problem at all. The cohabitation bar should completely empty.
You are just telling me that two species with only 4 members of each and IF, is the maximum amount of dinosaurs i can mix in a huge enclosure??? because if thats the case, then this game really really really need an urgent revision.

 

[TheMightyMegalosaurus]

Could you post some screenshots of the enclosure and the dinosaurs' comfort panels? Maybe that will help us understand the problem better.

 

[rolyat]

Could you post some screenshots of the enclosure and the dinosaurs' comfort panels? Maybe that will help us understand the problem better.

I cant. I already uninstalled the game. Had to because i need to move it to another drive. But i dont think ima going to install it again. Many bugs and problems everywhere. I will wait until some Q&L fixes are done.

 

[DawnTyrantEo]

From what Rolyat's said, the gameplay is working as intended- 4 Oloro and 4 Ourano together brings them up to 25% cohabitation (close to the threshold), and then 1 more neutral species would push them over (which is generally how it works). However, herbivores are balanced around exhibits with Liked species, which usually means 3 or 4 herbivore species all living together.

 

[rolyat]

Nope. I usually can have three hervivore species all the time without cohabitation issues as long as the enclosure is big. But oloro and ourano are the only ones who cant cohabit witn another one, for reasons i will never understand. Four species of each is a ridiculous amount. There should be no problems at all. But at this point, there are so many things that dont make sense in this game.. moving on.