Combat Loggers... how many are there!!!! What kind of punishment do they receive and when?

[shambles1980]

No, I don;t call this example god mode. In this circumstance you've broken his shields, and whittled him down to 5% hull. That's a noticeable repair bill. The only thing missing is the insurance screen. Can that be your only measure of success? Drama. You can't even tell if they 15 seconded you, or not. You just feel bad because you didn't witness the explosion. That's what I'm saying. And, that's why I have no sympathy for those that want to create drama, over nothing more than an inconvenience.

um as i told you 100 times before YOU CAN TELL if its 15 seconds.
if they use the menu they fly in a straight line for 15 seconds taking damage then disappear.
if not they sit there not taking damage then disappear.

at 5% hull like the argument, they would be dead in the 15 seconds.

And again, anything less than the insurance screen does not persuade people to stop killing soft targets.
some one who ran off to mobius should at least comprehend, if you cant defend the weak because the jerks combat log, then the weak run off to mobius. when they could have stayed in open and who knows they could have ended up being soft target killer killers them selfs.

Or then you have the bleeding hearts who instead of trying to help the weak go to private or group. and just look after them selfs, and dont care if any one combat logs or the real implications of it.

 

[Mohrgan]

um as i told you 100 times before YOU CAN TELL if its 15 seconds.
if they use the menu they fly in a straight line for 15 seconds taking damage then disappear.
if not they sit there not taking damage then disappear.

at 5% hull like the argument, they would be dead in the 15 seconds.

And again, anything less than the insurance screen does not persuade people to stop killing soft targets.
some one who ran off to mobius should at least comprehend that if you cant defend the weak because the jerks combat log, then the weak run off to mobius

You telling me, doesn't clear anything up in my mind. There has been more than enough discourse in these threads for me to know, zero Commanders can identify Combat Logging.

My comment about the insurance screen has nothing to do with the motivations to club seals. My comment reflects what I see as the childish pursuit of combat loggers. It's an exploit, nothing more to see here. It can't be stopped, it is best to just shrug it off. If you can't enjoy the emergent play you desire without hearing the pop I just wonder at that. 5% hull equals a win if they jump out, just consider it the same as high waking. That's what seems sensible to me.

 

[shambles1980]

what is sensible is if you cant play the game without cheating. DONT PLAY THE GAME.

Its not the same as high waking though is it..
You know you can do this thing called "target modules" its snazzy.. you aim at the fsd drive and it goes pop.
or You aim at the power plant "thats where i aim"
And they cant high wake then.

So no its not the same.


And you attitude is the attitude that kills every online rockstar game
"just ignore the cheaters"
I do encourage you to go and try and play any rockstar game online and see what it leads too.

 

[Deleted member 102790]

Hi again shambles1980.

- first, your answers seem to indicate you think I am against you or something so I think that is partially why there is a misunderstanding. I am neither for nor against exiting the game just before my ship's demise (I have not done it however). It is not a big deal to me but I can see from many threads it is (on both sides).
- lets imagine a hypothetical situation, you get someone down to 5% hull and they are running from you
- now lets say they exit the game (I do not care how, just they exit)
- you have clearly "won"
- why are you upset? how/what do you feel? - because I don't understand why it is upsetting, so I am asking.

Hope that makes more sense. I was not ignoring your answer, shambles1980

 

[StuF]

I think people will play the game exactly how they want to - after all it was their money that paid for it
If they decide not to be a PVP players content whilst enjoying OPEN and leave the game when they want to so be it

Personally I will be playing in open now just to see what the repercussions are

 

[Mohrgan]

what is sensible is if you cant play the game without cheating. DONT PLAY THE GAME.

You are preaching to the choir. I don;t get it either. When I got tired of the open environment I happily moved to Group play. I don;t see why everyone doesn't so the same. But, the witch hunt is just over the top. I don;t see the need for the drama over a childish exploit. Take pride in driving someone to Alt-F4, it's just like high waking, which doesn't take much skill. Heck, Traders do it all of the time, and we all know they are just duffers anyway.

 

[Jackboot]

I think people will play the game exactly how they want to - after all it was their money that paid for it
If they decide not to be a PVP players content whilst enjoying OPEN and leave the game when they want to so be it

Personally I will be playing in open now just to see what the repercussions are

We are on opposite sides of this discussion however I would be very interested in seeing what happens should you decide to start openly cheating this way. Along with your posts on the boards here and the reports that other commanders will send you should see a swift response (if there is one)
I would be very interested in seeing what happens, if its a shadowban or warning or nothing at all. If you could tell me via PM or make a youtube video I'd appreciate it. If you need any help finding populated places in open to attack people and then log when they fight back let me know I can help with that too.
Good luck!

 

[Kaerakh]

You suppose wrong and that's a pretty stupid analogy actually.

Attitudes like yours are basically why I have zero sympathy for "PVP" players. You have no consideration of other players, and this is why you keep finding yourself floating around in empty space, alone.

Oh, so stupid you can't actually argue how it isn't the case?

Also, it's funny that you mention that. I was going to say the same about you to my mates on teamspeak, oh look I guess I do have friends it's almost like you're projecting your own problems on to me. Dude, I've been a part of multi thousand man pvp organizations and almost every day talk to people I've been playing with for over 7 years. If that's alone and anti-social then I'd hate to see how busy being popular is.

I've had kids to take care of before, maybe not genetically mine, but I still wanted what was best for them and you know what, I wouldn't demean them like you do your child by using them as an excuse. They're your responsibility and no one else's. Just like how those kids I mentioned used to be mine and my ex's.

Don't hide behind them. This is really the first thing in this thread that's actually [urine insert here] me off.

 

[shambles1980]

You dont seem to have the same amount of issues as i do playing a game with cheaters.
I dont like cheaters, i dont want them cheating or i don't want them playing.
If i was FD i would have it so if you log during combat (even a genuine crash) then your ship is destroyed.

The p2p system would need a bit of a tweek to properly mask data sent. which would prevent people flooding some one in the fight with them.
But Thats what i would do.

And it would happen vs NPC's as well as human opponents.

i spent many years in a FPS gaming clan, and most of my gaming time was spent in spectate mode banning cheaters. i even had full range bans on every node used in a specific city..
Did it stop possibly a 100 players from playing just to stop 2 cheaters?? Yes it did..
Was the game better for it Yes it was.
But im sick and tired of cheaters every where. and i should not have to just put up with it..
I have never had any one combat log against me. Still does not mean that the thought of it does not aggravate me to high hell.

Any way you wont comprehend the difference between playing a game within the confines of the rules. And Playing the game but cheating when you think you will die.
But some of us do.

And i guarantee you the people complaining about it aren't grievers. grievers honestly don't care 1 bit about the game. and will count a combat log as a win. and will even combat log them self to prevent loss

 

[StuF]

We are on opposite sides of this discussion however I would be very interested in seeing what happens should you decide to start openly cheating this way. Along with your posts on the boards here and the reports that other commanders will send you should see a swift response (if there is one)
I would be very interested in seeing what happens, if its a shadowban or warning or nothing at all. If you could tell me via PM or make a youtube video I'd appreciate it. If you need any help finding populated places in open to attack people and then log when they fight back let me know I can help with that too.
Good luck!

Cheers for that - will see what happens although I wont be the one attacking other players just leaving if they attack me and I am not in the "mood" for PVP interaction
And my CMDR name is as my user name if anyone wants to single me out

Although personally I dont feel that exiting the game when I decide to is "Cheating" - just though I would clarify that point
Regardless of what developers and moderators post on here - until the TOS are amended that is.

According to some earlier posts made by the moderation team ref Combat Logging it could be interpreted that using a Frameshift interdictor was a Bannable exploit
As it interfered with another players experience of the game!

So will see what happens

 

[Siobhan]

what is sensible is if you cant play the game without cheating. DONT PLAY THE GAME.

If you can't play the game without being a newbie-killing sociopath, DON'T PLAY THE GAME.

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Oh, so stupid you can't actually argue how it isn't the case?

Also, it's funny that you mention that. I was going to say the same about you to my mates on teamspeak, oh look I guess I do have friends it's almost like you're projecting your own problems on to me. Dude, I've been a part of multi thousand man pvp organizations and almost every day talk to people I've been playing with for over 7 years. If that's alone and anti-social then I'd hate to see how busy being popular is.

I've had kids to take care of before, maybe not genetically mine, but I still wanted what was best for them and you know what, I wouldn't demean them like you do your child by using them as an excuse. They're your responsibility and no one else's. Just like how those kids I mentioned used to be mine and my ex's.

Don't hide behind them. This is really the first thing in this thread that's actually [urine insert here] me off.

Please note folks, if how have kids, don't play ED since you will be content and have no right to take care of them.

 

[shambles1980]

I have never killed a noob.
And as mentioned i have never had any 1 combat log against me..

HOWEVER
you are allowed to be a newb killing sociopath..
if you dont like that DONT PLAY THE GAME or DONT PLAY IN OPEN.
And no matter what mode you play DO NOT COMBAT LOG ITS CHEATING!

il also tell you something else you can do..
Instead of run off to solo or mobius, you can all group up in open and deal with the people who annoy you (grifers, noob killers, pirates and so on)

but all you care about is you.
run off to solo or mobius and then say
"open is full of nasty men. we cant do anything about them so we went to solo / mobius"

Obviously all this is futile though, because when you go to kill the griefers you will find THEY ARE THE COMBAT LOGGERS!
Its not the noobs. they dont know about it. hell they haven't even thought about it!

So its just the griefers and the traders who should know better that combat log.

 

[Mohrgan]

I have never killed a noob.
And as mentioned i have never had any 1 combat log against me..

HOWEVER
you are allowed to be a newb killing sociopath..
if you dont like that DONT PLAY THE GAME or DONT PLAY IN OPEN.
And no matter what mode you play DO NOT COMBAT LOG ITS CHEATING!

This PSA has been brought to you by the Drama Department.

 

[Kaerakh]

If you can't play the game without being a newbie-killing sociopath, DON'T PLAY THE GAME.

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Please note folks, if how have kids, don't play ED since you will be content and have no right to take care of them.

My will to live has been crushed by them grammars of the post.

I'm sure it's supposed to be a witty post telling me off, so I'll take it as such.

Here goes:

Guess what, I didn't say that. Go misrepresent some else who will take the bait.

 

[SirGirard]

I personally find this game great fun! I don't understand why people get so "Wound up" about a GAME mechanic. Yes folks it is a GAME! I never Combat Log myself, and when somebody does it to me, I see it as them running away from a fight leaving me victorious in the field! Certainly not something to get "flamed" up about before I go and have my real life dinner!

 

[crushdepth]

Oh, so stupid you can't actually argue how it isn't the case?

Also, it's funny that you mention that. I was going to say the same about you to my mates on teamspeak, oh look I guess I do have friends it's almost like you're projecting your own problems on to me. Dude, I've been a part of multi thousand man pvp organizations and almost every day talk to people I've been playing with for over 7 years. If that's alone and anti-social then I'd hate to see how busy being popular is.

I've had kids to take care of before, maybe not genetically mine, but I still wanted what was best for them and you know what, I wouldn't demean them like you do your child by using them as an excuse. They're your responsibility and no one else's. Just like how those kids I mentioned used to be mine and my ex's.

Don't hide behind them. This is really the first thing in this thread that's actually [urine insert here] me off.

Your interpretation of 'hiding behind my kids' is so stupid it's funny. Which part of "(for example)" do you not understand?

Yes, people really do have real-life distractions to deal with and kids are one of them. And yes, parents play Elite too. But from your spectacularly insensitive posts, I find it very difficult to believe that you have ever really looked after a child.

If you had, you'd know better.

 

[Mohrgan]

I personally find this game great fun! I don't understand why people get so "Wound up" about a GAME mechanic. Yes folks it is a GAME! I never Combat Log myself, and when somebody does it to me, I see it as them running away from a fight leaving me victorious in the field! Certainly not something to get "flamed" up about before I go and have my real life dinner!

Now, this guy gets it. Fly crazy Commander.

 

[Deleted member 102790]

oops misread it.

shambles1980 thanks for your answer.

I guess because this has never happened to you you feel upset because you were upset with other cheating in other games.

I have not had that experience because I don't play other games other than flight simulators.

edit: I read your "combat logging" piece and together with the assumption of "real penalties" find that I largely agree with it.

edit: my question was more aimed at those that HAVE experienced someone exiting with 5% hull and running. Why are they upset at that point?

Have you not won already?

Could someone explain that one to me?

 

[Siobhan]

I have never killed a noob.
And as mentioned i have never had any 1 combat log against me..

HOWEVER
you are allowed to be a newb killing sociopath..
if you dont like that DONT PLAY THE GAME or DONT PLAY IN OPEN.
And no matter what mode you play DO NOT COMBAT LOG ITS CHEATING!

The section of the EULA invoked to say CL is cheating (and as it happens, I agree that it is and I don't do it) states that interfering with another players game is cheating...
This would equally apply to interdictions or initiating combat.

HOWEVER

It does not say "in a negative way" either, which means the Fuel Rats are in breach of the EULA since of course they "interfere" with a player's death. I assume you wouldn't want them banned too?

 

[Kaerakh]

What I don't understand is how we have a 30+ page thread which I'm sure isn't the first or last that can be literally boiled down to two positions:

Pro-chreating
And
Anti-cheating

And for some reason the anti-cheating side is being characterized as more evil than Mojo Jojo. It's utterly bizarre and a fascinating window into how twisted a victim complex is.

I've literally never seen anything like this in any other game, or at least not on such a massive scale.