Combat Loggers...    how many are there!!!! What kind of punishment do they receive and when?

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this is a link inside the eula that you said you read and agreed too..
https://www.frontierstore.net/code-of-conduct



from the eula
https://www.frontierstore.net/ed-eula/


also the devs said that changing modes to refresh the BB is not an exploit.
it was something they did not expect players to do but it is not an exploit.
in that regard my opinion on that matter is irrelevant so i wont bother saying anything about it, because my opinion is different to the devs. and so my opinion is wrong. (simple as that)

as for the billions of credits, not sure how that went. so cant really comment on it. but they seem to say that they will punish every exploit cheat or bug use that they catch, and possibly ban. So dunno thats their definition you have to check.

I stand corrected. I didn't see the code of conduct or link. Thanks for pointing it out. (I did a search for exploit, not for code of conduct).

So we still agree that FD think its wrong. We still seam to disagree on the severity of the crime.
 
If you want to play exclusively with people who don't have a life outside of Elite, start a group. Because Open is open to anyone who wishes to play under FD's terms - which include being permitted to exit the game (or change mode) when it suits them.
 
I stand corrected. I didn't see the code of conduct or link. Thanks for pointing it out. (I did a search for exploit, not for code of conduct).

So we still agree that FD think its wrong. We still seam to disagree on the severity of the crime.

The ToS doesn't leave much meaningful wiggle room on the severity.
 
The ToS doesn't leave much meaningful wiggle room on the severity.

Sure it does, the code of conduct states: "Any player caught cheating or taking advantage of any exploits or bugs will be penalise and could face a game ban."

So it's up to FD to determine what the "penalise" will be.

Edit: I think the whole purpose of this thread is it determine what FD has deemed an appropriate penalty. As far as I can tell, we haven't received a clear answer.
 
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Sure it does, the code of conduct states: "Any player caught cheating or taking advantage of any exploits or bugs will be penalise and could face a game ban."

So it's up to FD to determine what the "penalise" will be.

I guess, if we really want to get into the semantics.
 
\dont forget the doorbell. seen ppl here on the forums outraged that they cant pause the game while answer the doorbell. got killed points finger and yells Griefer.


ppl the whole world doesnt evolve around you. happy trucking in open you can get killed , dont pull a alt f4 , enter solo mode.

To be fair, ship destruction due to 'lack of attention' can happen in any mode. I've been destroyed by the station because I went to answer the doorbell, and been interdicted and destroyed by NPCs because I was momentarily AFK. It can happen.

I understand why there can be no pause due to the persistent nature / time of the galaxy, and I am not advocating combat logging, but it is a shame that there is little allowance for real life intrusions in the game.
 
I understand why there can be no pause due to the persistent nature / time of the galaxy, and I am not advocating combat logging, but it is a shame that there is little allowance for real life intrusions in the game.

When you are not in combat, you can save & exit to main menu any time and without delay. Logging back from the menu into the game doesn't take long either. So that's your "pause" button.
 
To be fair, ship destruction due to 'lack of attention' can happen in any mode. I've been destroyed by the station because I went to answer the doorbell, and been interdicted and destroyed by NPCs because I was momentarily AFK. It can happen.

I understand why there can be no pause due to the persistent nature / time of the galaxy, and I am not advocating combat logging, but it is a shame that there is little allowance for real life intrusions in the game.

It doesnt happen, everytime I need to go AFK, I just drop SC and boost away to get as far I can from the SC Wake I leave. Problem solved.
 
damn those internet connections that always fail when in combat, but seemingly fine to play the game otherwise.
maybe some people who cant manage a stable connection would prefer to use one of the other modes where it wouldn't punish you for being in a 3rd world country (in terms of internet).. starting to wonder why they even added other modes to be honest.

Of course they fail during combat when they're unstable. Traffic increases dramatically when there are other CMDR's around. But there's more. If I found another CMDR on a planet, I'd have around four minutes every time before a CTD. That would be read as combat logging, and I'd be punished because of the game's own code.

The solution to combat logging is to GG people who don't want to play, instead of killing them. That way a death at the hands of a player might be special and interesting, instead of a reason to shortcut the loading screen.
 
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If you want to play exclusively with people who don't have a life outside of Elite, start a group. Because Open is open to anyone who wishes to play under FD's terms - which include being permitted to exit the game (or change mode) when it suits them.
But its not ok to leave the game when it suits them by forcibly shutting down the game "not using the escape menu and going to exit"
its in the Eula and CC that you agreed too..
So thats that..
if you want to leave the game any time you want "specifically during combat without using the in game exit menu" then find a different game.
 
When you are not in combat, you can save & exit to main menu any time and without delay. Logging back from the menu into the game doesn't take long either. So that's your "pause" button.

People without high end graphics cards have excessive wait times for loading menus.
 
so maybe open is a bad place to be if your pc cannot handle playing in open?

Since you mentioned the EULA and CC, the official requirements were met, so there was still no reason for me to be punished for playing under their rules.

Oh, the other solution to combat logging: Don't be a bad player, and most people will play with you. Easy.
 
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It's fair to state my position, too. Yesterday, in a CZ, someone pretended to be friendly, waited until my shields were down, then drilled my FSD before I knew what was happening. I happily fought that guy to my death, it was awesome. But someone interdicts me for the second or third time in a corvette wing while I'm alone, screw that. Alt-tab, right-click and close. That person is the kind of waste I'm not interested in interacting with. If the block button worked, I'd use it. But it doesn't.
 
Which terms are broken, specifically?

As far as I can find, it's considered an exploit is when a CMDR 'ungracefully exits the game', but there are no specific criteria, are there? My exit is made simply gorgeous by how gross common PvPer conduct is.
 
I don't understand what the issue is.
You fought them, they are about to die so they log. You've won the fight, only difference is they don't have to pay millions in insurance.
You won, they lost, what else is there?

Personally I don't, the death/explosion effects are too cool
 
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It's fair to state my position, too. Yesterday, in a CZ, someone pretended to be friendly, waited until my shields were down, then drilled my FSD before I knew what was happening. I happily fought that guy to my death, it was awesome. But someone interdicts me for the second or third time in a corvette wing while I'm alone, screw that. Alt-tab, right-click and close. That person is the kind of waste I'm not interested in interacting with. If the block button worked, I'd use it. But it doesn't.
Well then hopefully you get banned. But FD are spineless and don't ever punish anyone.

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I don't understand what the issue is.
You fought them, they are about to die so they log. You've won the fight, only difference is they don't have to pay millions in insurance.
You won, they lost, what else is there?

Personally I don't, the death/explosion effects are too cool
The issue is they're cheating to avoid the games intended punishment for death. Cheating is cheating.
 
Well then hopefully you get banned. But FD are spineless and don't ever punish anyone.

I'll let gankers and cheaters kill me once or twice. But then I've had enough, and I leave. It's really hard to understand what wrong with that. Can you explain?
 
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