Commander <snip> in Altair - you are dead from now on

[Tigga]

Last night, after I had finished playing, I brought up your stream where, after a few minutes you stopped streaming because another more powerful ship came to interdict you; it seemed a bit paranoid to me... Accept some responsibility for the wrath you have incurred!

You weren't watching it long enough then. That ship had "mysteriously" been in several sectors I'd been in. This chap behaved very similar to those others who stream snipe. I've seen it a lot, several times from players in your "group". Appearing, in a big ship, with friends, at multiple places there is no way he'd legittimately know that I was (you cannot track people through multiple jumps if they try to cover their path). Once happens (though was a bit weird in this case: they were camping outside an anarchy station without having followed me), twice is unlikely, three times in quick succession? That's enough for me. This is why I did exactly as you suggest and stopped my stream. Delay is not an option really.

Stream sniping is in my eyes, and in the eyes of several people I've spoken to, harassment, and certainly griefing. IMO this is far closer to bullying than anything I've ever done pirating: I don't pick on the same player repeatedly, I use purely in-game methods to seize goods, and I give people plenty of options to avoid confrontaiton.

Anyway, feel free to attack me on sight. Just don't cheat to do it.

 

[Tigga]

I have now watched your stream on three occasions and have found you to be a pretty good pilot, understanding the game mechanics very well etc, but when you start to whine about how other players cheat when they get the upper hand in combat against you, it looks bad.

To be clear, this has never happened. I called one of Nazarene's friends out for stream sniping as I know his friend had done it before at least once, and this, again, was mysterious circumstances. The only people who cheat are those who stream snipe or combat log. The latter obviously never get the other hand, the former I call cheats because they are, and will do this no matter who has the upper hand.

 

[Nazarene]

Interesting turn of phrase... I encourage folk to attack you on site not to "kill you" per se, also this is in response to your "Kill on site" list on your stream...

You weren't watching it long enough then. That ship had "mysteriously" been in several sectors I'd been in. This chap behaved very similar to those others who stream snipe. I've seen it a lot, several times from players in your "group". Appearing, in a big ship, with friends, at multiple places there is no way he'd legittimately know that I was (you cannot track people through multiple jumps if they try to cover their path). Once happens (though was a bit weird in this case: they were camping outside an anarchy station without having followed me), twice is unlikely, three times in quick succession? That's enough for me. This is why I did exactly as you suggest and stopped my stream. Delay is not an option really.

Stream sniping is in my eyes, and in the eyes of several people I've spoken to, harassment, and certainly griefing. IMO this is far closer to bullying than anything I've ever done pirating: I don't pick on the same player repeatedly, I use purely in-game methods to seize goods, and I give people plenty of options to avoid confrontaiton.

Anyway, feel free to attack me on sight. Just don't cheat to do it. As Nazarene encourages people to kill me on sight, I encourage people to kill him on sight. You can make your own minds up which of us is worse!

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You have whinged every time I have watched your stream and accused pilots who have gained the upper hand as cheating.

To be clear, this has never happened. I called one of Nazarene's friends out for stream sniping as I know his friend had done it before at least once, and this, again, was mysterious circumstances. The only people who cheat are those who stream snipe or combat log. The latter obviously never get the other hand, the former I call cheats because they are, and will do this no matter who has the upper hand.

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To be clearer you made accusations (in game text) of a friend of mine cheating in combat because you rammed him!!!!!

Since then anyone I've seen who beats you or gets you to retreat, you make excuses and whine about how they are cheating or so called stream sniping, where you have no evidence to support your claims!

However.... I remember watching you stream a battle or 2 against Zerocool - it was thoroughly entertaining.

It's nothing personal, my fellow pilots dislike pirating is all!

Your stream has become repetitive and boring, much like this post and I no longer wish to engage it or you.

There are people in the world who are known as 'Blamers'; they think and behave differently to regular folk. You are clearly one of them, so I graciously disengage.

 

[AndyB]

How is stream sniping even a thing? If you choose to stream what you are doing to the world? it's a little like a swat team taking a camera crew filming live to a siege and calling foul when the bad guys shoot them through a door because they were watching the news..

If you don't want to let people know where you are. Don't broadcast it to the world or put in a delay or something..?

 

[Tigga]

You have whinged every time I have watched your stream and accused pilots who have gained the upper hand as cheating.

Really? Do you count combat logging as gaining the upper hand? The only people I whinge about are combat loggers and stream snipers.

I guess there may be a language barrier here. A casual "that's cheating" may mean "that's unfair" or "that's a clever tactic I didn't think of", or even "well flown". If I accuse somebody of cheating properly it will come with specifics, and I don't know of any specifics that there would be, unless they were, of course, stream-sniping or combat logging. Stream sniping has happened every night for the last 3 so far.

I remember watching you stream a battle or 2 against Zerocool - thoroughly entertaining.

And when exactly did I accuse him of cheating? Or did he never get the upper hand?

It's nothing personal, my fellow pilots dislike pirating is all!

As soon as people start stream-sniping it became personal. If I get stream-sniped I have to take down the stream. If I take down the stream, people watching it get annoyed, and I lose the fun I had talking with them. Nobody really wins here, and several people lose.

 

[Nazarene]

Andy, it's everyone else's fault not his!!!

 

[Nazarene]

Really? Do you count combat logging as gaining the upper hand? The only people I whinge about are combat loggers and stream snipers.

No.

I guess there may be a language barrier here. A casual "that's cheating" may mean "that's unfair" or "that's a clever tactic I didn't think of", or even "well flown". If I accuse somebody of cheating properly it will come with specifics, and I don't know of any specifics that there would be, unless they were, of course, stream-sniping or combat logging. Stream sniping has happened every night for the last 3 so far.

I'd suggest you use more clear language then...

And when exactly did I accuse him of cheating? Or did he never get the upper hand?

I didn't suggest you accused Zerocool of cheating, I was suggesting it was great to watch.

As soon as you started stream-sniping it became personal. If I get stream-sniped I have to take down the stream. If I take down the stream, people watching it get annoyed, and I lose the fun I had talking with them. Nobody really wins here, and several people lose.

I haven't started anything - I've watched you 3 times!

 

[Tigga]

I haven't started anything, let alone so called stream sniping.

In what way is it "so called". It's a fairly normal term.

Anyway, you have done it, either through your friends telling you where to go via watching it yourself, or through you watching it yourself. To be fair, it may be you weren't aware of that the intel you were using was coming from stream-sniping when you were following me around through multiple blind jumps trying to kill me with a bunch of your friends. If you say that you weren't, never have, I'll remove you from my "naughty" list and retract my statement about telling people to kill you on sight. If you ask your fiends where their mysterious intel came from while you were jumping around following me, I think you'll find that it was from stream-sniping, or that your friends aren't the most trustworthy people in the world.

Simply enough, in this game, you cannot follow people who are masking their trail over 40+Ly jumps into systems with nothing special about them. And then do it again. The odds are astronomical. You've done this multiple times. You've turned up at stations you simply could not have followed me to using in-game methods. I think most/all of the time you were with friends, so it may be the blame is on them.

Anyway, if stream-sniping is something you're against, I'll remove you from the list, and, as above, remove the bit about telling everybody to kill you. I have no issue with vendettas, with bounty hunting, with anything much in-game. It's the stream-sniping I take issue with.

 

[Whiterose]

hmmmm, as an outsider to all this shooting from a brook or streamsniping as you call it, looks like you all need your ships to be fitted with handbags instead of weapons. I find poking myself in the eye hurts, so I stopped doing it ages ago. As I tell my grand children, calm down, its only a game.

 

[kelticfury]

Point 1. Piracy =/= Griefing. If the guy was just interdicting you, then blowing you up, that still isn't griefing unless he did it time after time after time. However, any interruption to the cr/ton/hr paradigm is taken to be griefing, so there you go.

Point 2. You abhor bullying, but your best response is to say "me and my twenty mates are going to gang up and get you". That sounds just a little off, to me at least.

Bottom line. The Pirate is playing within the rules of the game and I'm sorry that not everyone likes it, but untill and unless Frontier change the rules or traders become more savvy, then them's the breaks.

I truly enjoy reading your responses to these type of posts. You have a keen eye for catching hypocracy and a strong grasp of reality. + to you

 

[Tigga]

How is stream sniping even a thing? If you choose to stream what you are doing to the world? it's a little like a swat team taking a camera crew filming live to a siege and calling foul when the bad guys shoot them through a door because they were watching the news..

If you don't want to let people know where you are. Don't broadcast it to the world or put in a delay or something..?

There are three options:
1) Stream. People watching the stream have fun, I have more fun.
2) Stream with a delay. Personally, I enjoy streaming for the interaction with people on chat. 50 viewers with no chat isn't really fun, 5 viewers with a lot of chat is fun. Delay make chat impossible.
2) Don't stream. Nobody gets added fun.

If people stream-snipe it results in option 3), as I simply cannot play the game if I'm constantly attacked everywhere I go. It's like playing a card game where the other guy can see your hand. Not fun, and there's no way I can actually "win" by escaping. I took the stream offline for a week or so, but decided I'd try it again once this had cooled down. Maybe this was naiive.

 

[Nazarene]

Apologies for all these replies being in the wrong places

I say so-called because being fed intel that you are in a particular system hardly fits the term stream sniping in my opinion.

I believe your viewers feed you info on what players are up to in your stream, so that could be construed as being assisted unfairly...

Stream sniping is not something I engage in or wish to engage in for that matter, however I believe the game mechanics need to be balanced to cater for the inability to scan High Frame Wakes in SC and to allow such Wakes to be evident in a system that a player has jumped from before another player has arrived.

Another obviously lacking game mechanic is that pirates are able to scoop without fear of being annihilated by NPCs that have been called to counter pirate behaviour.

In what way is it "so called". It's a fairly normal term.

Anyway, you have done it, either through your friends telling you where to go via watching it yourself, or through you watching it yourself. To be fair, it may be you weren't aware of that the intel you were using was coming from stream-sniping when you were following me around through multiple blind jumps trying to kill me with a bunch of your friends. If you say that you weren't, never have, I'll remove you from my "naughty" list and retract my statement about telling people to kill you on sight. If you ask your fiends where their mysterious intel came from while you were jumping around following me, I think you'll find that it was from stream-sniping.

You move very quickly

Simply enough, in this game, you cannot follow people who are masking their trail over 40+Ly jumps into systems with nothing special about them. And then do it again. The odds are astronomical.

Anyway, if stream-sniping is something you're against, I'll remove you from the list, and, as above, remove the bit about telling everybody to kill you. I have no issue with vendettas, with bounty hunting, with anything much in-game. It's the stream-sniping I take issue with.

Peace

 

[Mr_Blastman]

Piracy annoys the victims. Annoyed people usually want some payback. Advertising (pun intended, lol twitch) your position just makes that easy for people.

Actually lots of people enjoy being pirated. It beats the boring monotony of going back and forth. Us pirates are doing a public service! We are paid very little for it, be sure.

 

[LeetNoob]

A ha ha ha, someone who spends all his time going around interdicting and attacking people gives out because he’s getting interdicted and attacked.

 

[Whiterose]

Actually lots of people enjoy being pirated. It beats the boring monotony of going back and forth. Us pirates are doing a public service! We are paid very little for it, be sure.

Couldnt agree more. A fair scrap and may the best pilot win. If I lose I dont see the point in crying on ther servers. Learn from your mistakes and improve.

 

[ciger]

A ha ha ha, someone who spends all his time going around interdicting and attacking people gives out because he’s getting interdicted and attacked.

sure but he is not following a specific trader by viewing his stream....

 

[kelticfury]

I think all the whinging in this thread is disingenuous. Twitch has been around for quite a while and if you know enough about twitch to find Tigga's stream, you are probably aware of what stream sniping is and how it is frowned upon by the concensus. I think whats really burning these guys is that Tigga caught them, filmed it, and showed the world.

 

[LeetNoob]

sure but he is not following a specific trader by viewing his stream....

Different methods, same results.

 

[Mr_Blastman]

Piracy is a sanctioned form of griefing and I care not for some presupposed code that you decide to impose.

Pirating is hardly griefing. Hahahahahaha. You Sir, are a troll. If pirating were griefing then I guess every single NPC AI that tries to pirate you is a griefer too. Get real. Get a life. And then nut up and learn to play the game.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

A ha ha ha, someone who spends all his time going around interdicting and attacking people gives out because he’s getting interdicted and attacked.

There. I immortalized that for you. Pictures say a thousand words...