Compsognathus should attack like in the movies 🦖
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I think they need to be made poisonous like the Troodon. That's novel canon and, to some extent, movie canon too. That photo guy wasn't bad enough to not get rid of them, however much they could be, unless their bites injected him some toxin.
Giving them some venom that actually acts as tranq darts would be the best move. They bite. They poison. They wait. Then you fell asleep and, if no one helps you, the whole swarm runs over you.
Giving them some venom that actually acts as tranq darts would be the best move. They bite. They poison. They wait. Then you fell asleep and, if no one helps you, the whole swarm runs over you.
Just a hunch, but they probably made the Compy's unable to attack humans because it makes them more manageable... in the event they escape, tracking them down and tranquilizing them will likely be quite a chore... so, to make things easier for players, the Compy's aren't a threat to humans... which is likely more realistic anyways, considering something as small as a Compy would likely never attack something the size of a human...
The venom was strictly the novel canon... unless you can provide some source that explicitly says the Compy's in the movie were venomous, the explanation for Compy's taking down a full grown human is plot armor. Furthermore, those were Procompsognathus in the novel, a completely different species of dinosaur.
The attack on that LW guy was much like Hammond's in the novel. It also doesn't make sense for such tiny animal to be a carnivore if it will be also totally harmless.
Compys need to be either scavengers or poisonous, and the Procompsognathus novel example is a good model. Not that JWE hadn't take inspiration in the novel before, either.
This is true, but that doesn't prove the Compy's were venomous... again, unless you can conclusively prove venom was involved then the simplest answer is plot armor; they wanted to replicate the scene of Hammond being eaten by the Procompy's, so they did... whether it makes sense or not doesn't matter...
I'm sorry, what? Are you trying to imply small carnivores don't exist? Or that they're totally harmless?
No, they don't... real Compy's ate small animals; lizards, rodent-like mammals, insects and so on... they wouldn't be a threat to something the size of a human, in fact, they would likely avoid them...
Again, besides the fact that it's far more realistic that Compy's don't attack people, it's likely they were made harmless to make things easier for players...
It doesn't prove they are not, either. Then again, we only know Procomsognathus were indeed venomous (in the novel) because of Hammond's thoughts while being eaten. I don't recall anyone explain it aloud, so I think it would be really weird to have some of the non-InGen workers in TLW stating so before such scene with that guy.
It wouldn't be the first 'overseen' feature of Jurassic Park's animals in comparative terms with the novel: they did solve the sick herbivore's health issue in the novel, while the movie Trike kept being ill without any of them knowing why. They likely found out Dilos were poisonous because they literally spit poison, but that was not how they found out in the novel either...
Anyway, later in your post you state, quite literally:
And I quite agree, if they were not made poisonous, but we know from movie canon this is not the case, and they do are a threat for human beings.
Where exactly did you read such a thing in my comment? Really, some of you seriously need to calm down and actually stop to read...
Of course I wasn't 'implying' small carnivores do not exist; and I do know what kind of diet has been attributed to the real ones. But chances are, neither lizards, nor roden-like animals, nor insects are present in JWE, so what's the point?
I'm calm as can be dude... and reading everything you post... repeatedly... because if you're trying to say something other than what I'm interpreting, you're probably not doing a good job of making your thoughts clear...
Seriously, what am I suppose to interpret this line as? It doesn't make sense for a tiny animal to be a carnivore if it's harmless? If you're not saying harmless animals can't be carnivores, then what are you trying to say?
Why do they need to be scavengers? Why say they need to be scavengers OR venomous? Why even suggest that, unless you're trying to imply they can't be dangerous without venom?
Why do they need to be poisonous? Because a swarm of them killed a person and there's no logical reason for it, so you just 100% assume it must be venom because despite the franchise being full of unexplained reasoning, bad logic and plot armor you've decided it can only be venom? And in the event they escape, do you really want something as small and difficult to capture as a Compy (or worse, many Compy's) to just run around indiscriminately biting everyone, poisoning them and killing them? Do you want to live that kind of headache? And all for what? Because you assume the Compy's have venom and should totally be dangerous?
It made no sense how that guy died literally all he had to do was run but he let himself be swarmed and try to crawl over a log where they could jump on him.
You also keep confounding me lol are we talking about the real, fossil animal or JWE's?
I was talking about JWE, maybe you didn't. But since JWE does NOT feature insects, small mammals, etc, no: it doesn't make sense for them to be harmless. Any other carnivore ingame, or tagged so, has at least the potential to feed itself if you fail to place the appropiate feeder in their enclosure. Compies just won't. Unless, of course, more absurdities are going to happen. Anyone knows if they will be able to hunt down Edmontosaurus, for instance?
And yes, harmless animals can't be carnivores unless they feed on scavenging. Any carnivore needs to at least be able (or have the means to) to kill their preys, whatever those might be (that is, Edmontosaurus-sized or rat/worm sized). Otherwise, in order to be able to feed themselves, other species would be required to hunt for them (this, both in and out of game).
They likely can't be dangerous for human beings without venom. But JWE lacks complete logic on those respects since Struthios and similar can just ram their way out of concrete fenced paddocks. But such absurdities shouldn't let us accept that as normal.
Also, JWE lacks enough dinosaur AI for them to pack-hunt, so no, they cannot be dangerous without venom...
Actually, there was logical reason for it. In the novel, some of the Procompsognathus' venom came from the gene-splicing thing, but the rest sourced from their scavenging habits: eating corpses and sauropod droppings gifted them with toxins on their mouths similar to those on Komodo dragon's.
Yes, I think that would make them even more interesting. Movie canon states they are dangerous. In-game, they cannot be otherwise. However, note that I didn't say their venom should be letal, though.
I was talking about JWE, maybe you didn't. But since JWE does NOT feature insects, small mammals, etc, no: it doesn't make sense for them to be harmless. Any other carnivore ingame, or tagged so, has at least the potential to feed itself if you fail to place the appropiate feeder in their enclosure. Compies just won't. Unless, of course, more absurdities are going to happen. Anyone knows if they will be able to hunt down Edmontosaurus, for instance?
And yes, harmless animals can't be carnivores unless they feed on scavenging. Any carnivore needs to at least be able (or have the means to) to kill their preys, whatever those might be (that is, Edmontosaurus-sized or rat/worm sized). Otherwise, in order to be able to feed themselves, other species would be required to hunt for them (this, both in and out of game).
They likely can't be dangerous for human beings without venom. But JWE lacks complete logic on those respects since Struthios and similar can just ram their way out of concrete fenced paddocks. But such absurdities shouldn't let us accept that as normal.
Also, JWE lacks enough dinosaur AI for them to pack-hunt, so no, they cannot be dangerous without venom...
Actually, there was logical reason for it. In the novel, some of the Procompsognathus' venom came from the gene-splicing thing, but the rest sourced from their scavenging habits: eating corpses and sauropod droppings gifted them with toxins on their mouths similar to those on Komodo dragon's.
Yes, I think that would make them even more interesting. Movie canon states they are dangerous. In-game, they cannot be otherwise. However, note that I didn't say their venom should be letal, though.
Im fine with them not attacking and unless they add pack hunting and only attack sick creatures i dont think they should be made to.
Since they dont attack i hope they dont even frighten the guests if they're out but they prob do.
I do hope we are allowed to run over them and squish them or that they allow other dinosaurs to squish them at some point lol.
Since they dont attack i hope they dont even frighten the guests if they're out but they prob do.
I do hope we are allowed to run over them and squish them or that they allow other dinosaurs to squish them at some point lol.
"The compys didn't look dangerous at first sight. They were the size of a hen and walked nervously like a hen. But he knew that they were venomous. Their bites delivered a slow-acting poison that they used to kill wounded animals."
It's directly mentioned they have a venomous saliva a couple of times at the book.
Can I add something here?
I believe its ok to have the Compies as scavengers, rather than active hunters in the game.
In the novel, the reason they attacked Hammond, was because he fell off a slope after Lex & Tim used a T-Rex roar in the control room.
In the JP:LW film, Dieter was attacked as he was separated and injured (Though I wouldn't know the extent of his injuries).
In the same film, Burke mentioned that Compies are "presumed to be scavengers like Jackals or Hyenas".
As for the girl in the opening scene (Camilla Belle), young & small makes her an easy target, but not a full uninjured adult.
With that, Hyenas in the wild eat dead, or hunt injured prey, like Hammond, this other particular Hyena specie, the Spotted Hyena, wear down their prey overtime, as was the case of Dieter Stark in the film.
I believe its ok to have the Compies as scavengers, rather than active hunters in the game.
In the novel, the reason they attacked Hammond, was because he fell off a slope after Lex & Tim used a T-Rex roar in the control room.
In the JP:LW film, Dieter was attacked as he was separated and injured (Though I wouldn't know the extent of his injuries).
In the same film, Burke mentioned that Compies are "presumed to be scavengers like Jackals or Hyenas".
As for the girl in the opening scene (Camilla Belle), young & small makes her an easy target, but not a full uninjured adult.
With that, Hyenas in the wild eat dead, or hunt injured prey, like Hammond, this other particular Hyena specie, the Spotted Hyena, wear down their prey overtime, as was the case of Dieter Stark in the film.
Also the book and the film dont exactly compliment each other.
In the book during hammonds death the "venomous" bite was down played and it seemed to be more like lidocaine bites. It numbed hammond so he didnt feel anything and he seemed to get a blissful indifferent feeling from it unless i read it wrong.... So with their injured prey in a blissful painless state they killed him, i would guess by slow blood loss?
In the movie deter or whoever was not pain free as he seemed to be in pain and screaming the whole time.
So the compys are different from book and movies. The movies never mention any type of venomous bite.
But also in the lost world novel levine is bitten and i dont think their bite had any real effect on him so the poison must be very minimal which is why it was down played in the first novel.
So i think compys should remain harmless unless an aninal gets sick. Then they could help prevent disease if they are in a paddock with a sick dino.. Like yeah your 1 dino would die from compys but you would only have that 1 dino that got sick and was killed as opposed to the disease spreading throughout the park.
In the book during hammonds death the "venomous" bite was down played and it seemed to be more like lidocaine bites. It numbed hammond so he didnt feel anything and he seemed to get a blissful indifferent feeling from it unless i read it wrong.... So with their injured prey in a blissful painless state they killed him, i would guess by slow blood loss?
In the movie deter or whoever was not pain free as he seemed to be in pain and screaming the whole time.
So the compys are different from book and movies. The movies never mention any type of venomous bite.
But also in the lost world novel levine is bitten and i dont think their bite had any real effect on him so the poison must be very minimal which is why it was down played in the first novel.
So i think compys should remain harmless unless an aninal gets sick. Then they could help prevent disease if they are in a paddock with a sick dino.. Like yeah your 1 dino would die from compys but you would only have that 1 dino that got sick and was killed as opposed to the disease spreading throughout the park.
Yep. I hoped they'd add pooping to the game lol. Then compys could be used for that purpose. They could help keep a park clean and disposing of sick or already dead dinosaurs would help prevent disease.
I put them in all of my herbivore paddocks and pretend that's what they're there for now lol.
I am okay with Compys not attacking other creatures. Seriously, some of our closest analogs for dinosaurs, birds and reptiles exhibit behaviors that would suggest that compys would not attack something they couldn't handle. Most birds of prey (that I know of) don't attack humans, and they are about the same size. Most monitor lizards (if not all don't attack humans either, and they are also the same size. I am fine with how the implemented compys as is; however, I still think they could be improved with more interactions
Compys are really small in game, but they're not the only small dinosaur. I think an interesting inclusion for compys would be the ability to initiate fights with homalocephale. They are pretty similar in size, and going by the bird and reptile analogs, many carnivorous birds and reptiles do attack things larger than them.
p.s. I do enjoy the books and movies, but I still think it unlikely that compys would attack at least any human that is larger than three feet or more than 100 pounds. Whichever comes first
Compys are really small in game, but they're not the only small dinosaur. I think an interesting inclusion for compys would be the ability to initiate fights with homalocephale. They are pretty similar in size, and going by the bird and reptile analogs, many carnivorous birds and reptiles do attack things larger than them.
p.s. I do enjoy the books and movies, but I still think it unlikely that compys would attack at least any human that is larger than three feet or more than 100 pounds. Whichever comes first
I hope they add pack hunting or some form of dynamic hunting in the future
Also, compsognathus didn't appear in the books. That was procompsognathus, which is a coelophysid and not closely related to compsognathus. They have similar names but Compy is closer to theri and rex than it is to procompy
Also, compsognathus didn't appear in the books. That was procompsognathus, which is a coelophysid and not closely related to compsognathus. They have similar names but Compy is closer to theri and rex than it is to procompy
I would absolutely love it if they would hunt like in the Movie. But Frontier would first need to include Pack Hunting in the Game because they are only dangerous in a big Group
