Concerning Type-7, Imperial Clipper and Federal Dropship.

[Pile_O_Gunz]

^even if there were exclusive trade ships, explore ships, mining ships, combat ships, how would that be different, I think that each more costly exclusive ship, is still going to be better than the last one, yawn. Right now, the best ship for trading is the most expensive ship, but the best ship for combat or missions isn't. What's the best combat/explore/mission/mining ship for me, might not be the best for you, which is the way it should be.

You seriously don't understand why specialist ships being better than generalists is more interesting?

How about we replace the current system with one where you can just swap the ships graphical model at will and the ship starts good at everything then at certain thresholds 1m, 10m, 20m etc you can click upgrade to a different gear tier for the fee and then you can reconfigure the gear whenever you like as long as it's under that tier of gear.

still exciting ? still see no difference ?

if so I give up.

 

[Frenotx]

I fly a dropship and quite like it. The hard points a pretty well placed (especially the large), and the thing is a blast to fly. Federal driftship, and all that. Would love it if FD unlocked those two small hardpoints in the nose, though...

 

[askavir]

You seriously don't understand why specialist ships being better than generalists is more interesting?

How about we replace the current system with one where you can just swap the ships graphical model at will and the ship starts good at everything then at certain thresholds 1m, 10m, 20m etc you can click upgrade to a different gear tier for the fee and then you can reconfigure the gear whenever you like as long as it's under that tier of gear.

still exciting ? still see no difference ?

if so I give up.

I understand your point, but note that no current ship is good at everything... Of course ships from higher price ranges have more advantages than cheap ships, but that makes sense.

 

[Jericho]

Why more than one type of gun..... or fishing rod...........?

No offense, but I suspect that you don't spend a lot of time outdoors doing 'sporting' like hobbies, do you?

I can't argue with your assertion about the washing machine (cause I haven't done laundry in a number of years), but I couldn't imagine owning only 1 type of gun and 1 type of fishing rod... that's ludicrous!



On Topic:
I was flying a Type 7 until today, now I'm the happy owner of an Imp Clipper outfitted for trade. I do like it. I have always felt vulnerable in the T7, but never wanted to invest in the Python, nor held the rank for the Clipper....
I like my new speed, 2 LGs, 2 Meds, and decent shields, yet still have almost the same cargo capacity as the old tugboat.

 

[Cmdr Cunomaglus]

No offense, but I suspect that you don't spend a lot of time outdoors doing 'sporting' like hobbies, do you?

I can't argue with your assertion about the washing machine (cause I haven't done laundry in a number of years), but I couldn't imagine owning only 1 type of gun and 1 type of fishing rod... that's ludicrous!

Errrr that's kinda exactly the point I was making You don't just buy one and then sell it when you buy the better one, you buy ALL THE GUNS and shoot things with the one you fancy shooting things with at the time. Although I'm English so not allowed to have guns and probably shouldn't be even if I could but that's a whole 'nother matter.

 

[CMDR Ellegon]

The Imperial Clipper is locked to rank.

The problem is the Imperial Clipper is too good by comparison for any role. I think pretty much anyone will tell you this. It either needs to be nerfed or the Type 7 needs a serious buff to it's hold capacity to make it stand out more as a trade ship.

STOP IT RIGHT HERE. It was predictable as taxes that some disturbed person would crawl out of the woodworks and shout "NERF"! This has never resulted in anything good for ED:

• Crippled Python
• Useless Missiles
• Less Fun Playing the Game

If anything, the Type-7 should be given a moderate boost on cargo capacity. Just like the Type-9 which loses against the Anaconda.

The Federal Dropship does meet my role play point of view quite well, as it is just as un-stylish, useless, cumbersome and unattractive as the Federation itself (yes, I am an Empire guy). But seriously, this ship, just like the Orca, will probably become more attractive with passenger missions.

Again, do not even utter the word "nerf".

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Also, from a beginner's point of view, its not just a difference of a couple million credits, its also the ridiculous ranking system. If not for the temporary suspension of rank reqs for the courier and clipper im sure no one would give it much thought because the clipper, while amazing, is behind a rank wall. It wouldnt be an issue if the ranking system is clear cut and efficient, but i literally had a better time ranking to elite in combat than trying to get to baron in the empire simply because its just so obscure.

TLDR ; Clipper has a rank requirement that makes it effectively disabled for startups.

So has the Anaconda, by way of its 200 million price tag (usefully equipped).

 

[Jericho]

Errrr that's kinda exactly the point I was making You don't just buy one and then sell it when you buy the better one, you buy ALL THE GUNS and shoot things with the one you fancy shooting things with at the time. Although I'm English so not allowed to have guns and probably shouldn't be even if I could but that's a whole 'nother matter.

Oops. sorry, I misread your post......

I do feel bad for you Brits; I enjoy exercising my 2nd amendment right at every opportunity I get.

 

[Vasious]

As an aside

Things wont be as easy as just adding more cargo racks to the Type 7, not that I have any problem with it

More Cargo = less jump rank and even more slugish ship with drive to mass ratio.

So then do we up the frame shift drive class making it cost more
Ditto for the Thrusters

All that will need more power as well, so do we need a bigger power plant to avoid over heating

Or do we just accept the slower ship with less jump range

etc etc

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

STOP IT RIGHT HERE. It was predictable as taxes that some disturbed person would crawl out of the woodworks and shout "NERF"! This has never resulted in anything good for ED:

• Crippled Python
• Useless Missiles
• Less Fun Playing the Game

If anything, the Type-7 should be given a moderate boost on cargo capacity. Just like the Type-9 which loses against the Anaconda.

So very much this. NERF should be an unword and only BUFF allowed to exist from now on.

 

[Fracktal]

As dedicated trading ships, both the Type-7 and Type-9 feel underwhelming.

They are the only ships I had absolutely no regret selling and couldn't think of any valuable use, apart maybe as (local) system mining vessels.

In my opinion, they both need a 32t or 64t cargo buff and one step higher class FSD.
No need to change the thrusters or Poweplant, as it could give an incentive to upgrade the typical D-Grade trading configuration to A-Grade.

 

[veryinky]

So very much this. NERF should be an unword and only BUFF allowed to exist from now on.

Federation Dropship probably needs a huge buff considering the ratio of Imp Clippers to Fed Dropships used by players. Heck, after looking at the traffic reports in 200 systems there are 7 times more players flying Orcas than Fed dropships.

 

[Mashchax]

Oh and yes, please don't misunderstand me. I definitely think there should be NO NERFING in this game. In this thread I stated Imperial Clipper is too good but by no means should it be nerfed. I think in game like this one - I mean not competitive ones - the word nerf should not exist. If there's an imbalance the way to solve it is to BUFF other ships. This way we don't hurt players who invested their time and money into a given ship. Especially given how the playerbase here are mostly older people who come here for fun in the free time. The solution to the problem I've stated is to buff T-7 and Federal Dropship. And T-9 while we're at it.

 

[Kastor]

I'm glad some people share my view.

I fly the Clipper and I will jump for joy when it gets nerfed (or the t7 gets buffed). I love it but I hate flying the best ship just like I hate using the best gun in fps games, i refuse to use the best build in RPGs... it just makes me feel cheap. So yes, I really hope my fav ship gets nerfed.

Also the ASP is 100% better than the T6 at pure trading and the Adder is 100% better than the Hauler for pure trading. Whats the point of pure trade ships if they are just stepping stones to the next multirole.

 

[veryinky]

I fly a dropship and quite like it. The hard points a pretty well placed (especially the large), and the thing is a blast to fly. Federal driftship, and all that. Would love it if FD unlocked those two small hardpoints in the nose, though...

You may be THE Fed Dropship pilot I've been tracking in traffic reports. As far as I can tell there's only one.

 

[Pile_O_Gunz]

They don't need to nerf the clipper they need to buff the t7 Its pretty obvious that a generalist ship should not be better at trading than a specialist trader of similar price.