Maybe it's "Need clicks & views for tasty advertising revenue"?
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I’ll take all legitimate criticism. And this video has been the subject of plenty of legitimate criticism on both sides - with one side screaming at me for ragebaiting on a nothing burger and another side screaming at me for revealing the equivalent of secrets to building WMDs. So much so that, as I have explained in a community post, I decided to take the video private shortly after posting it - as I am tired of drama after earlier drama regarding my EPP membership, I did not anticipate the fierce reaction from opposing camps and, candidly, I don’t want to be the arbiter of this debate (nor do I feel qualified to be.)
That I do what I do for money or clicks however, especially noting this video was taken private with an explanation shortly after being published, is NOT legitimate criticism.
YouTube revenue (and in fact any and all revenue associated with the content I create) is effectively insignificant as a fraction of my income (think <0.5%). If money or clicks was the motivator, I would have kept the video up - not taken it down.
I am a hobbyist content creator and always will remain one. If I was in it for money I promise you I wouldn’t be making content for a 10 year old videogame with maybe 100,000 active player base.
I do what I do for passion and for the community. Whether good or bad will come of this debate I sparked, time will tell. Not all I do is right. I am not infallabile. But every now and then, maybe I do something helpful.
But I do know one easy way to never do wrong - and that way is to never do anything.
And that is not a route I am interested in taking.
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I'm sure you do exactly what you think is best for your community, perfectly commendable.
Has it occurred to you that a lot of this drama is of your own making?
If you want to be a community resource then it would make sense to take your ego out of the equation. You made a big deal about leaving the EPP as some kind of service to we CMDRs...but that's just ego stroking. You could have followed whatever rules you broke and continued being part of the EPP. You could have quietly left the EPP and gotten on with whatever you're doing. You could have started a video with a 10 second "Hey, I left the EPP in case you're wondering. No drama. Anyway, moving on..." Instead, you chose the path of maximum drama designed to rile up as many people as possible...and then acted shocked that it caused drama.
Then you posted the IP address video, commenting on how it wasn't intended as a response to the EPP thing, "but maybe in spirit". Again...ego, or at least a lack of self-awareness.
Now you're tired of drama. If your response to things is "I didn't realize this would happen and I'm just passionate" then you need to rethink your approach entirely...or get comfortable with being a lightning rod.
You give every impression of someone whose priorities have shifted to building a brand with your face on it, as opposed to things like accuracy, community support, and remaining drama free.
I kind of get the difficulties here. The majority of online streamers don't get a second act, and you're trying to create a second act for yourself after all of the AX stuff. This is where a lot of online people start to wobble and fall off of the tracks, so at least you're in good company.
If you want to be a community resource then it would make sense to take your ego out of the equation. You made a big deal about leaving the EPP as some kind of service to we CMDRs...but that's just ego stroking. You could have followed whatever rules you broke and continued being part of the EPP. You could have quietly left the EPP and gotten on with whatever you're doing. You could have started a video with a 10 second "Hey, I left the EPP in case you're wondering. No drama. Anyway, moving on..." Instead, you chose the path of maximum drama designed to rile up as many people as possible...and then acted shocked that it caused drama.
Then you posted the IP address video, commenting on how it wasn't intended as a response to the EPP thing, "but maybe in spirit". Again...ego, or at least a lack of self-awareness.
Now you're tired of drama. If your response to things is "I didn't realize this would happen and I'm just passionate" then you need to rethink your approach entirely...or get comfortable with being a lightning rod.
You give every impression of someone whose priorities have shifted to building a brand with your face on it, as opposed to things like accuracy, community support, and remaining drama free.
I kind of get the difficulties here. The majority of online streamers don't get a second act, and you're trying to create a second act for yourself after all of the AX stuff. This is where a lot of online people start to wobble and fall off of the tracks, so at least you're in good company.
says the clickbait youtuber
tired of consequences of your actions you meantThe criticism many have is the pompous and arrogant nature of the commentary.
I'm going to gently suggest the tone of your post here may... not be helping... with that?
I'm going to gently suggest the tone of your post here may... not be helping... with that?
Criticism of my tone is legitimate, and healthy commentary.
Criticism of the substance of what I speak about is legitimate, and healthy commentary. Be it of the topics I choose to cover, or the manner I cover them.
Criticism of the timing, context, or perception of what I do is also entirely fair game, comes with the territory, and I’m wholly open to it.
Accusing me of doing anything online simply for money or clicks isn’t tho, and that’s why I chose to speak up here. It is simply and demonstrably false.
You can like me or the content I create, dislike me or the content I create, or anything in between… that’s all good and fair. But the above is something I felt the need to set the record straight on. I don’t do this for money or recognition. Never have, never will.
And like all things, you’re free to believe me or not. It’s just my voice after all. Take it for what you think it’s worth.
Criticism of the substance of what I speak about is legitimate, and healthy commentary. Be it of the topics I choose to cover, or the manner I cover them.
Criticism of the timing, context, or perception of what I do is also entirely fair game, comes with the territory, and I’m wholly open to it.
Accusing me of doing anything online simply for money or clicks isn’t tho, and that’s why I chose to speak up here. It is simply and demonstrably false.
You can like me or the content I create, dislike me or the content I create, or anything in between… that’s all good and fair. But the above is something I felt the need to set the record straight on. I don’t do this for money or recognition. Never have, never will.
And like all things, you’re free to believe me or not. It’s just my voice after all. Take it for what you think it’s worth.
we are aware
That a video existed is irrelevant to me.
I just am trying to pick up the pieces of what the original claim is so I can validate it. We'll end up with plenty of people getting an opinion or concern based on what they hear. The fire has started, the video taken down, and investigations can't be made without understanding what the original claim was.
Regardless on whether or not there's a legitimate issue with the Netlog, more eyes means more validation either way.
I am aware I said earlier that without the claim explained this is a non-issue, but the security minded side of me won't be satisfied until I can understand the concern to begin with.
I just am trying to pick up the pieces of what the original claim is so I can validate it. We'll end up with plenty of people getting an opinion or concern based on what they hear. The fire has started, the video taken down, and investigations can't be made without understanding what the original claim was.
Regardless on whether or not there's a legitimate issue with the Netlog, more eyes means more validation either way.
I am aware I said earlier that without the claim explained this is a non-issue, but the security minded side of me won't be satisfied until I can understand the concern to begin with.
And the likelihood of someone knowing about the subject reviewing it goes up with a higher sample size.
plenty of them on the 1st page of the thread. how many more do you need?
It's more that the actual problem hasn't been defined yet.
Why not DM the producer of the video and ask for the definition?
It would save the effort of trying to make any sense of the minimal information actually provided in this thread.
A problem can't be defined accurately nor clearly when there is nothing to present as an actual problem.
I haven't had a chance to see the video the OP was inspired by, but I'll give it a try.
Apparently the OP is outraged by seeing their own as well as other players' IP addresses and ports used, which I think the referenced video pointed out as being some kind of security risk. Both parties seem to be blissfully unaware that, ED operating on a peer-to-peer basis, it's not only possible but mandatory to know other players' IP addresses and ports in order to be able to connect and instance with them. This, by the way, is the reason why we do that port forwarding dance and shuffle.
I think the argument is that logging those addresses to an unprotected plain text log file poses some kind of security risk; but essentially every PC owner is a local administrator in some form or another anyway, so finding out which other network peers your machine is connected to and on which ports isn't exactly witchcraft or prevented in anyway by obfuscating those connections in the log file, while not having that information available in the log may hinder debugging in case of networking issues.
Security by obscurity never works in the long term, and often times not even in the short term. And frankly, if you offer any other kinds of services on your public IP address whatsoever, you should know what you're doing to keep those services safe, and if you don't, you should turn off your computer. And if you're one of the really smart people running an exposed host on the internet, you don't need ED to compromise that host.
If a network connection between two computers is established (as is the case when you instance together in this peer-to-peer networked game), you can see your peers, and your peers can see you. If you don't want that, you cannot play online games.
My goodness me.
OP defined the practical problem pretty clearly.
FDev are clearly unhappy with anyone posting forensic evidence, so that's not going to happen.
Therefore, I'm not really sure what you all think the last few comments are going to achieve?
If Cmdr Mechan did have forensic evidence, perhaps he can confirm to us that he has observed responsible disclosure and/or made a formal complaint?
OP defined the practical problem pretty clearly.
FDev are clearly unhappy with anyone posting forensic evidence, so that's not going to happen.
Therefore, I'm not really sure what you all think the last few comments are going to achieve?
If Cmdr Mechan did have forensic evidence, perhaps he can confirm to us that he has observed responsible disclosure and/or made a formal complaint?
I think the real issue is people not understanding how networking works talking about networking.
Well, I have developed the tendency to overlook that on this forum, for the good of my sanity.
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