Cosmetics: Why they need a change

Not sure if you are in the U.S. but here Sam's Club and/or Costco absolutely charge a membership fee to shop.

That said, and I've posted about this on reddit to - I think their model is a pretty fair trade.

It would be one thing if they didn't continue to deliver quality content, but they do; so if the exchange is I have to pay a little money for some cosmetic upgrades, that is a trade I'm willing to make.


To be honest, a lot of content can't be called 'quality'.

What I mean: Ship kits that look horrible, paintjobs that make parts of the ship invisible, broken animations, buggy/broken missions, buggy/broken NPCs, Powerplay, dead CQC, broken Wings, horrible networking infrastructure... This game has so many cracks and holes that it would need a whole season (let's say 2 years) to fix what we have now.

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let me guess - console player?

Bad guess, my last console was a ps2 when I was 12.
 
I agree with this, been saying this for a while. Removing all paintjobs, shipkits, weapons modifier colours (ship trails, if added), flight suits etc. from the base game and making them purchasable only is a really big decision:

- it greatly reduces the variety of rewards available in-game. Which IMO is one of the game's weaknesses. Ok, I can ship 100t of biowaste, but why? So I can have 700m instead of 600m credits?

- it ensures that all such items can only be cosmetic. Wouldn't it be great if you could tell if a Grade 5 DD ship actually had a distinct ship-kit to make it visually identifiable? Or you could outfit a shipkit that increased cargo capacity at the cost of mass/agility? Won't happen now if those are only available as in-game purchases, as it would be seen as pay-to-win.

this adds a bit of another issue, our shiips are basically just fixed size hulls, no matter if you have that 6A or even 8A thruster sin your ship, it looks the same. so that already cust fo some visual individuality.
 
It's a difficult one for sure.

Personally I do feel that the cost should represent the actual work put into the skin. So for those hue changes really should be worth about 50p each tops these days, whereas the gold/chrome skins are really not worth the £10(!) asking price they have had in the past - especially now the shader is well worn in.

Should any skins be free? That's not really our call to make. Having said that, I do feel that anything Frontier actually uses as a major part of marketing should actually be something we have access to from the off - and that includes ship name plates. I still don't understand their reasoning behind not giving us just a bog standard one for free.
 
Bad guess, my last console was a ps2 when I was 12.
clearly you haven't lost your appetite for console games

I've seen your posts in the other thread. This is a genuine question: Are you a troll?
i'm the counterweight to all the whining about cosmetics. either buy the goddamn skins and support the developer or don't, that's them rules. cheapskate snowflakes.
 
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Does spending real money give you an advancement/power advantage over someone who doesn't? Out side of expansions of course.

Yes.

XP boosters.

Buying Weapons/Frames means faster Mastery Ranking, which means quicker access to more stuff. And buying some packs BYPASSES level requirements for items completely.
 
clearly you haven't lost your appetite for console games

And clearly you have no idea what you are talking about, since my favorite genre has always been RTS.

How about you go do something useful instead of making wrong assumptions about strangers on the internet?
 
Very few games were actually shipped with gamebreaking bugs to begin with back in the day

This made me chuckle because I tried to think back to my younger years and the oldest game I could think of that contained gamebreaking bugs when it shipped, before everyone had access to patches on the internet - and the answer I came up with was Frontier: First Encounters... (The third Elite game)
 
OP is right, and people have been saying this for a long time. Frontier does not need to nickel and dime us as hard as they do. We paid full AAA title money for this game, many of us paid full price for Horizons as well, and with that it is not unreasonable to expect there to be some basic level of customization included in that price.

Frontier is trading long term reputation for short term cash and it feels so unnecessary.

We could have basic colors included in the game and Frontier would not go bankrupt or be struggling financially all of a sudden. We could sell skins individually and the same would still be true. The major difference is that players would feel like they got better value for their money and would be more likely to become repeat buyers. They would also be more likely to support the system and speak highly of it to others in the community.

Instead, the lack of any meaningful free customization pushes new players away and discourages repeat purchases once people figure out that they have to buy 5 skins they don't want to get one that they do (why do you think so many people are canceling their cable TV subscriptions these days? Sound familiar?)

On a broader scale, this is a consumer problem.

To put it simply,
- Businesses want to provided the minimum possible value for the maximum possible profit.
- Consumers want maximum value for the minimum possible cost.

It is not our job as consumers to defend a business who wants to offer less value for money just because we don't care about that particular product (eg, cosmetics). Let the business do that for themselves.

In fact, it is very much our divided opinion that allows companies to simply sit back and take no action whilst we bicker amongst ourselves. All they have to do is point at the people calling OP an entitled whiner or whatever and say "See? The community is fine with it!"

So even if you don't give a rat's about cosmetic microtransactions and how they are implemented, let Frontier defend their own position on the matter instead of doing it for them. Having access to basic colors in-game for credits is not going to make the game worse, so why oppose it so strongly?

If you're worried about Frontier's financials then again, let Frontier speak to that. Don't just make up a claim that Frontier can't continue developing the game without the money from basic color skin packs.

If you want to say "Then don't claim they don't need that money because you don't know!" we have plenty of examples already in this thread from other developers who offer this sort of content for free and are doing just fine - many of them also give the game itself away for free, while this is a full priced AAA title with a season pass available and more on the way. If Frontier cannot do the same for whatever reason, let them speak to it.
 
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I had a look at the paint jobs and I'm never totally satidfied enough to justify paying £5 for a 6pack in which only 1 colour is what I like so I simply do not buy. 1700euros is unreal for all on offer. The free Powerplay Decals should errrrrrrrr NOT be in the Store if they are FREE. This is bait for shopping. I'd be much happier if they had bas paints for all Ships as default. Same for lasers. The only real customizing is fancy artwork (not enough for all Ships) and Kits which look weird when not getting any Paint!

I agree OP. It needs this to allow us to express more and not extract piles of money that become useless as we move onto the next Ship and have to buy more paint for. The luxury should be the artwork and not base colours.
 
And clearly you have no idea what you are talking about, since my favorite genre has always been RTS.

How about you go do something useful instead of making wrong assumptions about strangers on the internet?
How about you tone down the drama levels to something more bearable than comparing elite mp to dark souls mp?
 
I agree wholeheartedly. The fact, that two of 2.3's most anticipated features (Holo-Me and Ship naming) are designed around microtransactions, is painting a grim picture of the game's future.
 
i'm the counterweight to all the whining about cosmetics.

'Counterweight', I really hope that you don't think you're seeming like some kind of hero. You seem like a dolt that is too immature to make his opinion known without attacking people.

Give arguments instead of making it personal and then maybe people will take you seriously.
 
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I agree wholeheartedly. The fact, that two of 2.3's most anticipated features (Holo-Me and Ship naming) are designed around microtransactions, is painting a grim picture of the game's future.
except those features are completely irrelevant to the gameplay
 
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How about you tone down the drama levels to something more bearable than comparing elite mp to dark souls mp?

There is no drama at all, Elite multiplayer is so broken that the most people I've ever seen in it were 10. And my network is set up perfectly and I'm located in Western Europe.

Elite is as much a multiplayer game as Hello Kitty Island Adventure is a murder mystery.
 
I agree that the business model is bad. A lot of other games, like op stated, have way better practices. Guild Wars 2 is another good example I didn't see mentioned in the op. It's a F2P MMORPG, but you've gotta buy the expansion to play that content. There's a "Gem Store" where you can buy gems to directly buy cosmetic upgrades and QoL stuff. You can also convert in-game currency (gold) to gems, and gems to gold.

I think some sort of premium currency like that would be the best route to take.
 
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There is no drama at all, Elite multiplayer is so broken that the most people I've ever seen in it were 10. And my network is set up perfectly and I'm located in Western Europe.

Elite is as much a multiplayer game as Hello Kitty Island Adventure is a murder mystery.
you're free to go back to either hello kitty or dark souls, sounds like they're more up your alley anyway
 
As someone who recently dropped $30-$40 on ship kits, paintjobs, and ect across 3 to 4 ships, I totally support the OP's point. I have played for a while and didn't spend anything in the store. Never really saw a point. Ship kits were tempting, but paintjobs just seemed kinda pointless because I was never exposed to them ingame. When I finally decided to get a paintjob and ship kit for a specific purpose, I was so impressed I went back to the store and purchased another ship's kit, a paint job/pack for each of my ship save one, and a weapon color and some decals.

My point is that had I been exposed to how much a fresh coat of paint adds to a ships appearance in game, I would probably have made these purchases sooner. And yes, I would still have purchased the premium paintjobs I did even if I had a good looking plain paintjob for free available.
 
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