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Cosmic Cow Mascot video
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WingardiumLevicoaster
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I don't understand why people say the mascot is not family friendly. It is only inappropriate within the right context, which children do not have... Most children would find it silly and funny rather than rude?! I didn't even think of those connections until other people here brought them up. [downcast]
Yes, sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like it was just me who spoke out about the mascot design. A lot of us did in the CHC. It will be interesting to hear what Frontier say on Monday.
Yes, because every human under 18 is pure, chaste and innocent [big grin]
Really? [haha]
The problem is, given the mascot's animations and the udder space hopper that's clearly attached between the legs of the suit, and the fact it's a mascot for milk and ice cream, it's way too easy to draw adult suggestions from it. You're right, kids probably won't see it, but other will as is evident from posts on Facebook about it and kids on Facebook who are fans of the game will see these posts. That's where the problem lies. The mascot is too easy to make adult humour about it and with a game like Planet Coaster that is so family friendly, the Cosmic Cow mascot as it currently stands just doesn't fit the game environment. I'm certainly no prude and if Frontier decide to keep the mascot as it is, it won't make me cancel my pre-order of the game. But I'll certainly not use this mascot in my parks and given so many people are not happy with it, its future in the game needs to be looked at again.
WingardiumLevicoaster
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I am thinking in terms of young children. Older children will find anything rude, including cows udders in general, which would mean no cow mascot at all. Unless we begin censoring udders which I would personally find far more offensive as cows are not made to cover up in the real world. It also continues to create a disconnect from children and where their food/drinks comes from. My niece has some toy cows with udders on display, or is it purely the bouncing action? There are plenty bouncing animal toys and characters. [blah]
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I think it is a shame if you would not use it. Adult humour can come from anything. I am sad that shame has been brought upon the first female mascot because she is 'inappropriate'. I don't even consume animal products but I would still use her along with Chief Beef even though they are against my core ethics. [cry]
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I think it is a shame if you would not use it. Adult humour can come from anything. I am sad that shame has been brought upon the first female mascot because she is 'inappropriate'. I don't even consume animal products but I would still use her along with Chief Beef even though they are against my core ethics. [cry]
If you do an image search on Google for "cow mascot" or "cow costume", you will find a vast majority of them are indeed completely udderless. Others have minimized them, or simply implied them. Is there possibly reasons for that?
Then there is Frontier, who made the udders, udderly huge! Complete wth floppy teats!!! And if that s not enough, the udder is now a mode of transportation!!! What's next? Squirting peeps with the teats??? Hilarious!
Then there is Frontier, who made the udders, udderly huge! Complete wth floppy teats!!! And if that s not enough, the udder is now a mode of transportation!!! What's next? Squirting peeps with the teats??? Hilarious!
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WingardiumLevicoaster
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Yes, but I think that it is horrific to remove them. Essentially makes it a male mascot, plus also removing the obvious milk connection. I would like more female representation in the game, even if it is through a cow. I know we are getting a princess but that's not enough for me being a woman myself.
The way I look at it, I think if parents with young children saw this in a real theme park like Disney or Alton Towers here in England, they wouldn't be best pleased. I think most people would agree it would be just considered bad taste in general. I know this is only a game, but the spirit of the game is firmly anchored in the fun family atmosphere invoked by such a visit to a theme park such as Disney or Alton Towers.
I am no prude, quite the opposite, but common sense to me in this situation just seems to say discretion is the better option. I realise kids can be just as rude as adults, but why encourage it?
But then I think of the cartoon "Cow and Chicken" which was shown on Nickleodeon on Saturday mornings. That had a protagonist in the shape of a slightly camp devil like creature that sometimes walked around on his enlarged buttocks. ( I kid you not ). Go google the show. I watched it sometimes back in the day in my early twenties and remember having a vague feeling of discomfort thinking this was being watched by kids as young as four or five. The cow in question had huge udders and her brother was a chicken, children of human parents. Like I say, a slightly perversely humoured cartoon but they got away with it.
I am no prude, quite the opposite, but common sense to me in this situation just seems to say discretion is the better option. I realise kids can be just as rude as adults, but why encourage it?
But then I think of the cartoon "Cow and Chicken" which was shown on Nickleodeon on Saturday mornings. That had a protagonist in the shape of a slightly camp devil like creature that sometimes walked around on his enlarged buttocks. ( I kid you not ). Go google the show. I watched it sometimes back in the day in my early twenties and remember having a vague feeling of discomfort thinking this was being watched by kids as young as four or five. The cow in question had huge udders and her brother was a chicken, children of human parents. Like I say, a slightly perversely humoured cartoon but they got away with it.
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WingardiumLevicoaster
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Lets put a bra on her then?
Harbinger
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There is zero irony here, I'm not a Frontier employee. I am merely a volunteer moderator acting neutrally to ensure the forum rules are upheld. In this case Rule #3.
If anyone has an issue with any moderation action taken here then by all means follow the stated procedure to appeal it.
I'm not normally particularly conservative about these things but I think Frontier have misjudged this one. I can see what they were trying to do with the space hopper thing but it's not that amusing and something about the colours, shape and size is just oddly disturbing especially considering the wide potential audience of the game.
I said this elsewhere, but want to share it here, and see what the reaction is to what I've put forth...
I can almost guarantee that if the hippitty-hop were completely separate from the costume, even if it had teats, and the cow would walk around holding it in his/her hand, and occasionally hop with it, the reaction would be MUCH better. And much more humorous. I think a lot of the reaction has to do with it being sewn into the animals crotch. How would the character actor even walk? They couldn't! For a game that touts sooooo much realism, this isn't realistic.
Again, if the hippity-hop was a separate entity, I think the community would embrace it, and find the humour. It creates a disconnect. Literally. Pun intended.
I can almost guarantee that if the hippitty-hop were completely separate from the costume, even if it had teats, and the cow would walk around holding it in his/her hand, and occasionally hop with it, the reaction would be MUCH better. And much more humorous. I think a lot of the reaction has to do with it being sewn into the animals crotch. How would the character actor even walk? They couldn't! For a game that touts sooooo much realism, this isn't realistic.
Again, if the hippity-hop was a separate entity, I think the community would embrace it, and find the humour. It creates a disconnect. Literally. Pun intended.
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WingardiumLevicoaster
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Actor and ball seperate is something is could see as well which fits. Just a pink ball with no other attachments. Though, after watching the video again, it seems the video might be a bit misleading.
Could it be the cow is just sitting on the ball? There seems to be something like a handle.
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It's pretty clear that the suit is attached to the udder as they move together. Besides, in the third video in the CHC, she/he bounces without holding onto the handle.
I showed it to my 8 year old niece and she thought it was really cute and funny. Go watch Ren and Stempy or Rocco's Modern Life then take a chill pill because this is some serious over the top reactions.
.... Ok, I'll be fair and say I am not a woman and don't understand the deeper urges of the female mind. However, I would not have thought that bouncing on your mammary glands while teats flop about wildly is something most women dearly identify with and cling to. If you feel defeminated by the removal of a bouncy-ball udder, then perhaps deeper issues lie within.
Yes, "King" Coaster implies masculine, and Chief Beef has a moustache, so obviously the round blob and patty-shaped thing are perfect role models for masculinity and a perpetuation of the lack of representation of womankind. Still, it WOULD be nice to have more variety in the mascots since the only notably "female" one is a dressed-up human (which is why I also left out the Pirate King because they sort of cancel each other out as being dressed up people), and Gulpee is referred to as he and she interchangeably.
But just as King Coaster is "male" because of a crown, and Chief Beef is "male" because of a moustache, perhaps Cosmic Cow should be "female" because of a bow or ribbon or jetsons-esque skirt, rather than giant floppy mammary glands.
Edit: Miss Jetson for you youngsters-- https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f4/2e/1b/f42e1b38eca9e1d9579b0bcc2d08491b.jpg
edit2: And to clarify for others here, I think "offensive" and "inappropriate" are terms thrown around FAR too often for absolutely idiotic reasons. Even in this case I do not think that the mascot is "offensive" or "inappropriate", and I even think that children will be the most intrigued and happy with it. My complaint (I suppose that's what this is) is that there are far more impressive designs that could be utilized to show off the aesthetics and animation of Planet Coaster rather than a person in a cow suit bouncing on a sewn-on udder to move around.
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Well ... I'm not really sure ...
I think that, no matter whether it's a cow, a giant duck or a fox, if you put a big ball between legs, it's still a bad idea in any case ...
But that's just my opinion [rolleyes]