COULD I GET MY TYPE 10 BACK?!

[Phisto Sobanii]

I wouldn't ask either. But fair is that we both have the option to, even if we don't take it. And no-one can say what FD will do anyway (unless someone comes back to report it). They may also say no due to the circumstances (or any other reason - it would be at their discretion after all).

Makes sense. If everyone got one freebie I couldn't reasonably complain.

 

[Hoopes81]

Makes sense. If everyone got one freebie I couldn't reasonably complain.

 

[Kaocraft]

I give you 50/50 odds that if you send Frontier a support ticket they'll give you your ship back just to avoid the hassle of dealing with an upset person.

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

Never mind the 600m ship, and still making rookie mistakes, flying without rebuy, I suspect that were it not for the 100m rebuy, we'd collectively be more sympathetic. But the 100m bounty indicates a lot of misbehaviour, and the 600m ship indicates he has been in the game long enough to know better.

[edited to fix wording, had typed 100m rebuy instead of 100m bounty]

 

[CoyoteXStarrk]

"Never fly without rebuy bruh" - George Washington

 

[metatheurgist]

I'm curious how you progress through the game to get a 30M rebuy ship without understanding the whole rebuy concept.

That's pretty easy to understand. The average ship filled with LTDs is worth 4-5x the cost of the ship, why would anyone stay long enough in one ship to even notice the rebuy?

 

[NathanM]

The insurance scheme in Elite is simple. Any occurence that results in a total loss is covered with no exclusions. The policy pays replacement cost with a 5% deductible.

Much simpler than real life.

Oh how wrong you are.

The clear issue with the ED issuance is the fact that the policy is invalidated if you don't carry the excess in your wallet at all times, not the fact that there is an excess payment included in the policy. I suspect you know this but are just being deliberately obtuse because of a mistaken belief that it makes you look clever, it doesn't by the way.

In RL you may well have an excess payment as part of a policy but not having the cash on you the day you file a claim would never invalidate that policy. If you paid your premiums then the insurer would legally owe you the value of the asset minus the excess. In ED the insurer only pays out at all if you have the excess immediately available.

Incase you still don't get it, ED car insurance would be paying the excess at the roadside from your wallet, and forfeiting the insurance if you didn't have enough loose change. In RL car insurance the repairs are made and you simply cannot pick up the vehicle until you pay the excess.

The correct in-game implementation would be for your ship to be paid for and ready to pick up on payment of the rebuy, if you can't pay immediately then you get a sidewinder (no sale value) and have to earn the rebuy before your can pick it up. Alternatively you could get the option of a sdewinder and credits to the value of your ship minus the rebuy. I assume bounties are added to the rebuy in both cases.

As you can see, the ED implementation is illogical, at best overly harsh and at worst just very badly thought out. ED have to stick with it, they have defended it for 6 years already and would look very bad if they now admitted how silly it is.

 

[Greasetrap42]

The insurance scheme in Elite is simple. Any occurence that results in a total loss is covered with no exclusions. The policy pays replacement cost with a 5% deductible.

Much simpler than real life.

Oh how wrong you are......

I suspect you know this but are just being deliberately obtuse because of a mistaken belief that it makes you look clever, it doesn't by the way. ....

As you can see, the ED implementation is illogical, at best overly harsh and at worst just very badly thought out.

In this case I gotta say NathanM is the obtuse one and really not very clever. Yep, I'm gonna call you out on this.

Phisto isn't saying ED insurance is good, bad, or logical. Just that its very simple. And in the context of the OP's post Phisto makes complete sense and is fully correct. Obviously you aren't familiar with real life insurance which is definitely more involved than applying a straight percentage to any type of vehicle regardless of location, occupation, purpose of vehicle, past history, surrounding situation of incident, etc. And expect extra complexity if you are carrying passengers or cargo. And in IRL you don't get full replacement cost, rather the estimated worth of the vehicle based on its age and possible other factors. You might be insured for the loss of your cargo, which also adds some complexity for your claim. And ED insurance only deals with vehicle replacement costs, not liability insurance which where I live IRL is mandatary.

ED insurance is free (no monthly payments) and you only pay a deductible to get full replacement of your used/modified vehicle. Far from being harsh, it is crazy generous. And really simple to understand.

BTW IRL you aren't covered by most (any?) insurance companies if your incident occurs while committing criminal activities, and in the OPs case he was destroyed while combating law enforcement with a significant bounty. Well maybe that is actually more simple IRL.... simply no coverage at all.

Edit: If your gonna get rude with people, have at least a basic understanding what you are talking about.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

In this case I gotta say NathanM is the obtuse one and really not very clever. Yep, I'm gonna call you out on this.

Phisto isn't saying ED insurance is good, bad, or logical. Just that its very simple. And in the context of the OP's post Phisto makes complete sense and is fully correct. Obviously you aren't familiar with real life insurance which is definitely more involved than applying a straight percentage to any type of vehicle regardless of location, occupation, purpose of vehicle, past history, surrounding situation of incident, etc. And expect extra complexity if you are carrying passengers or cargo. And in IRL you don't get full replacement cost, rather the estimated worth of the vehicle based on its age and possible other factors. You might be insured for the loss of your cargo, which also adds some complexity for your claim. And ED insurance only deals with vehicle replacement costs, not liability insurance which where I live IRL is mandatary.

ED insurance is free (no monthly payments) and you only pay a deductible to get full replacement of your used/modified vehicle. Far from being harsh, it is crazy generous. And really simple to understand.

BTW IRL you aren't covered by most (any?) insurance companies if your incident occurs while committing criminal activities, and in the OPs case he was destroyed while combating law enforcement with a significant bounty. Well maybe that is actually more simple IRL.... simply no coverage at all.

Edit: If your gonna get rude with people, have at least a basic understanding what you are talking about.

Yup, you know what I'm talking about here.

Heck, we haven't even gotten into intentional acts, racing, or how PvP duels would be handled in real life... but that's because this is a game, the OP is trying to learn, and I was looking to break it down for them in a simple way so they could enjoy the game.

But sure, @NathanM , let's rant on about whatever doctoral thesis you're on about instead of trying to help the OP get better and have more fun.

 

[Werewolf13]

Never mind the 600m ship, and still making rookie mistakes, flying without rebuy, I suspect that were it not for the 100m rebuy, we'd collectively be more sympathetic. But the 100m rebuy indicates a lot of misbehaviour, and the 600m ship indicates he has been in the game long enough to know better.

Emphasis mine...

Well - maybe not.

I've been playing ED (witht the exception of a 6 month hiatus once) pretty regularly for the past 5 and a quarter years. And there's still a lot of things about the game that I don't know. If I were a dummy (I'm not) that could be expected except I'm a very well paid financial/sales analyst.

Yeah - ED is not really all that complicated - especially if one is detail oriented. But for those of us who aren't detail oriented the micro level stuff that some of you pick up on never ceases to amaze me.

For those of us that are macro oriented grasping the details down in the itty bitty dirt is gonna just go - Zoooommm... right over our heads. And that may very well be the source of the OP's problem. Macro vs Micro.

I for one still don't fully grasp the consequences of C&P in ED. And to be honest - don't need to - bounty hunting isn't criminal and on the odd occassion when some dumb a.ss security d.ouche gets in between me and my target and takes one up the rear - well - as far as I'm concerned that's on him. Except ED doesn't agree. I bothered to learn the consequence. It takes a little over an hour for the notoriety to where off so I can pay the fine/bounty and move on. All the rest of the C&P system - ehhhnnnhhh. Not gonna bother.

As for the OP - sucks to be him. He didn't get a 100M cr bounty on him by accident. It behooved him to learn the system. He didn't bother.

Stupid ought'a hurt and in his case it did.

Like I said in a previous post - it seems unlikely that if he has an IQ higher than room temp that he'll make the same mistake again.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

So, given that some people do like shooting cops there's probably some advice required about what to do if you don't want to be in the OPs situation. Right now I'm sitting on a ship with a 1.5 billion bounty, with only 1.1bn in the account, so I am also flying without rebuy when I'm in that.

I prefer one of two methods, the first is the big heavy tank such as a Vette, Vonda or Cutter, not a T-10. If you're going big you need good shields, preferably prismatics. Reinforced engineering and lots of heavy duty HRPs and armour are also required.

The other is the cheap manoeuvrable hull tank such as the FAS, Clipper or Chief/Chally. Again, lots of armour and heavy duty HRPs. Shields should be set up for quickest recovery following being broken.

Biggest things to keep an eye on are of course the ATR announcements. If you hear that, jump out of the system (you did have a pre plotted route set up didn't you?). The second is watch the hull. Set yourself a comfortable limit- 30% should be fine with a well engineered ship and go as soon as you hit this. In both cases, go, don't finish that last kill, get out and what happened to the OP won't happen to you.

Then just find a station not controlled by the faction you've been shooting up, take a breath, repair, rearm and go back to rip and tear again.

 

[Rubbernuke]

The last time I looked, I had two burnable Clippers with a couble of billion on each ready to be chucked in the river- neither having anything of value on. I went a bit crazy on my Vette though as a favour to the Kumo gods and that one I may have to clean out the brains and blood at cost. I'm in the sme situation as Deejayeff though, lots of bounties and not much cash.

Although tearing innocent ships apart is fun, if you are doing it for the BGS bear in mind simply assaulting a faction ship is worth 1/4 a kill, and has no knock on effects and is really cheap....

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

@Werewolf13 - you and I have been playing about the same ammount of time then, I'm no expert on the crime and punishment system either, but I know enough to get by. You wouldnae want to hire me as your defence lawyer, but I know that if I have a hot ship, its going to either need laundered at an Interstellar Factor, or disposed of, or if it gets destroyed with me at the helm, I'm going to have to pay the bounty.

As for the OP - sucks to be him. He didn't get a 100M cr bounty on him by accident. It behooved him to learn the system. He didn't bother.

I have no idea what game play he was doing to rack up that bounty, but if he had a 600m credit ship, and a 100m bounty, he has been playing long enough to learn at least some of the rules, especially since hes chosen the dark & risky path...

So i went in a system where i was wanted and had +100M credit bounty on my head, so i decided to fight more with my fully-upgraded type 10, i ended up fighting +12 security services at once

He went looking for trouble, and found it, and on his way to finding it, he dropped the right to expect to be bailed out.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

And when you find yourself in the OP's position, file a support ticket and get your ship back without the bounty. What a deal.

Not for me. Play your own game and don't rely on someone else to bail you out. They could always say no.

 

[Jmanis]

I'm curious how you progress through the game to get a 30M rebuy ship without understanding the whole rebuy concept.

Broken game economy.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Broken game economy.

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup.