CQC etiquette?

CMDR _BigJay_

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I just had an interaction in CQC that wasn't great. I tried to friend the other CMDR to ask him about it, but he hasn't accepted.

I started playing CQC earlier this year. I primarily play in PG and don't PVP at all in the main game. CQC is fun though, I think it could be a lot better with a little attention from FDev. I'm glad I tried it. I usually go in and do a few matches when I log into the game, then go to the main game and finish my play time.

I logged in today and in the first match there were only three of us. One CMDR was one of the apex guys that are insanely good. I almost got him once but he killed me a ton. Towards the end of the match he says "You gonna log again?" I'll be truthful, there are three CMDRs that absolutely kick my butt and I won't play multiple games with them, especially if it's 1 on 1. IMO, there's really no point. They are so much better than me that I can't kill them. So I said "Yeah" and he said "Bye Clown." I will say, I NEVER log out in the middle of a match. I'll get my butt kicked to the end, and then log out of matchmaking before the next round. If you log out during a match and leave someone in the match alone, they will lose their XP from that match, that's happened to me a few times. So I wouldn't do that to someone else.

Now yesterday, or day before, I was in a match with him and 6 other players. It was a good match. He won, I got second. At the end of the match I noticed that he had 8 kills, and I had 7 deaths. I had 6 kills, all the other players. No one else had any kills at all. All 7 of my deaths were from him, and he ONLY killed me, except for one other kill.

Based on these two interactions, I'm thinking he is upset with me for logging out when I'm getting d. What's the correct etiquette here? This guy, and a few others are WAY better than me. I'm humble enough to admit that, no salt here, those guys are great. Am I not allowed to play CQC? Am I supposed to hang around and get shot up instead of going to the main game and working on stuff there? My nature is to feel like I was in this guy's house in Arena and he just told me I'm not welcome there. But I don't know.
 

schmicknick

schmicknick
Sounds like you're improving quite alot and you're being targeted a bit because of how high your threat level is getting.

...bit of a bummer with the disparaging tinge to the chat. I guess I've had my share... but generally 99% of interactions in CQC have been cordial, if not positive.

I'd say keep on going... congrats on your progress. I do have to wonder who you're talking about, lol.... but I haven't been in rounds in a while now. Cheers... and all the best on your flights. o7
 

CMDR _BigJay_

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schmicknick said:
Sounds like you're improving quite alot and you're being targeted a bit because of how high your threat level is getting.

...bit of a bummer with the disparaging tinge to the chat. I guess I've had my share... but generally 99% of interactions in CQC have been cordial, if not positive.

I'd say keep on going... congrats on your progress. I do have to wonder who you're talking about, lol.... but I haven't been in rounds in a while now. Cheers... and all the best on your flights. o7
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That's the way I took it... You know. I'm probably better than the low level guys who are just starting, so I'm more fun to play against, but then I leave and he's upset with me because of that. And I get that, it's just that it's not fun for me to keep getting killed. If I was a little better, I'd feel differently. I don't mind getting killed, but I would like to have a chance of winning.

A curious design choice for CQC... The more you play, the more practice you have, the better you get...... The game gives you better equipment. So now you're experienced AND in a better ship. Vs newbies in stock ships. If you were matchmaking based on levels, then ok! But throwing everyone into one game, I wonder what the devs were thinking on that?
 

Northpin

Northpin
CMDR _BigJay_ said:
A curious design choice for CQC... The more you play, the more practice you have, the better you get...... The game gives you better equipment. So now you're experienced AND in a better ship. Vs newbies in stock ships. If you were matchmaking based on levels, then ok! But throwing everyone into one game, I wonder what the devs were thinking on that?
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Well, it should be the other way around - as a handicap measure similar to what's happening in GO.
 

Morbad

Morbad
CQC equipment is mostly a collection of sidegrades and even the starting F63 loadout is perfectly acceptable. There also aren't enough players to segregate into skill levels for matches, nor any particularly good way to benchmark skill outside of rank.

As for etiquette, if you aren't dumping in the middle of a match and aren't cheating, I wouldn't worry about it.

Regarding specifically targeting people, there are plenty of reasons to do this. If I know someone is more of a threat, I'm going to go after them preferentially. It's just the prudent thing to do.
 

CMDR _BigJay_

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Morbad said:
CQC equipment is mostly a collection of sidegrades and even the starting F63 loadout is perfectly acceptable. There also aren't enough players to segregate into skill levels for matches, nor any particularly good way to benchmark skill outside of rank.

As for etiquette, if you aren't dumping in the middle of a match and aren't cheating, I wouldn't worry about it.

Regarding specifically targeting people, there are plenty of reasons to do this. If I know someone is more of a threat, I'm going to go after them preferentially. It's just the prudent thing to do.
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I'm not worried about being targeted... It was just a clue that maybe I was making this guy mad. It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. I don't like to think I'm making someone mad. I think I fail at PVP mentality.. heh
 

schmicknick

schmicknick
CMDR _BigJay_ said:
That's the way I took it... You know. I'm probably better than the low level guys who are just starting, so I'm more fun to play against, but then I leave and he's upset with me because of that. And I get that, it's just that it's not fun for me to keep getting killed. If I was a little better, I'd feel differently. I don't mind getting killed, but I would like to have a chance of winning.

A curious design choice for CQC... The more you play, the more practice you have, the better you get...... The game gives you better equipment. So now you're experienced AND in a better ship. Vs newbies in stock ships. If you were matchmaking based on levels, then ok! But throwing everyone into one game, I wonder what the devs were thinking on that?
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Yeah.... when a person is dying alot, there is only so much they can take. I think it's like that for everyone. I know it was like that for me quite often when I was starting. Just that maybe there were alot more players, so nobody cared much if I opened a slot in a round.

Level 11 gets you basically the top level loadout. One I basically always use. And I have gone from level 1 to levell 11 in a couple matches in some of my prestige levels. ...and for that matter, I have done exceptionally well in a level 1 ship during those transitions. ....it's really a matter of technique and timing and whatnot... all the ship upgrades are side-grades and more bother than they are worth for most players.

I learned alot from Egon... who was very helpful and shared alot of his knowledge in CQC... when he stopped playing alot, his parting advice to me was to 'try to not die so much' ...lol.... but it was good advice. Now I mostly avoid death more than I try to do anything else... and the winning and command of misc. matches kinda came along besides.
 

Ganogati

Ganogati
CMDR _BigJay_ said:
I just had an interaction in CQC that wasn't great. I tried to friend the other CMDR to ask him about it, but he hasn't accepted.

I started playing CQC earlier this year. I primarily play in PG and don't PVP at all in the main game. CQC is fun though, I think it could be a lot better with a little attention from FDev. I'm glad I tried it. I usually go in and do a few matches when I log into the game, then go to the main game and finish my play time.

I logged in today and in the first match there were only three of us. One CMDR was one of the apex guys that are insanely good. I almost got him once but he killed me a ton. Towards the end of the match he says "You gonna log again?" I'll be truthful, there are three CMDRs that absolutely kick my butt and I won't play multiple games with them, especially if it's 1 on 1. IMO, there's really no point. They are so much better than me that I can't kill them. So I said "Yeah" and he said "Bye Clown." I will say, I NEVER log out in the middle of a match. I'll get my butt kicked to the end, and then log out of matchmaking before the next round. If you log out during a match and leave someone in the match alone, they will lose their XP from that match, that's happened to me a few times. So I wouldn't do that to someone else.

Now yesterday, or day before, I was in a match with him and 6 other players. It was a good match. He won, I got second. At the end of the match I noticed that he had 8 kills, and I had 7 deaths. I had 6 kills, all the other players. No one else had any kills at all. All 7 of my deaths were from him, and he ONLY killed me, except for one other kill.

Based on these two interactions, I'm thinking he is upset with me for logging out when I'm getting d. What's the correct etiquette here? This guy, and a few others are WAY better than me. I'm humble enough to admit that, no salt here, those guys are great. Am I not allowed to play CQC? Am I supposed to hang around and get shot up instead of going to the main game and working on stuff there? My nature is to feel like I was in this guy's house in Arena and he just told me I'm not welcome there. But I don't know.
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So, if I'm reading this right, the tl;dr is: "I logged in to play a couple of rounds of CQC, and after about 2-3 rounds I decided to call it quits and go do something else after my last match has ended. This other player is angry at me for this. Am I wrong? PS: I never leave in the middle of a match, only after it ends"

If that really is the correct reading of this: there's literally no interpretation of the situation where you are in the wrong.

You have to understand that in every game there will be mouth-breathers who simply take the game too seriously. Why? Who knows. Maybe personal issues, maybe they have nothing else good going for them right now, or maybe they just have no self control. Whatever the reason, they crank the dedication of their life to the game up to 11 while everyone else is hovering around a 5 or 6.

You having something else you want to do besides spending your entire night playing CQC is not something that any normal, well adjusted person would think you'd need to apologize for. The fact that you're losing in your matches is entirely irrelevant to that topic. Even if you were doing great, you'd still want to log off eventually and do something else.

I'd just report the guy to FDev and move on. I've luckily never met such a person in my time on ED, so I would imagine he's an exceptionally rare case. With that said, CQC matches are already challenging to find, and will become moreso if you have someone like him actively trying to sabotage it by purposefully running off new folks. I'm sure that FDev's GMs would be very interested to learn a bit more about this individual.

Keep having fun, and don't worry about him. You're doing great!
 

MPL3D

MPL3D
No matter what they say, the fact is that most CQC players fight without honour, even when forced to play against CQC rookies due to the lack of players at certain hours... They all have been destroyed too many times.
 

Rock Hunter

Rock Hunter
Jim Morrison was right, “People are strange.”

Nothing wrong done by you, slightly wonky response by him. Keep playing if you enjoy it and employ radio silence if needed.
 

CMDR _BigJay_

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Ganogati said:
So, if I'm reading this right, the tl;dr is: "I logged in to play a couple of rounds of CQC, and after about 2-3 rounds I decided to call it quits and go do something else after my last match has ended. This other player is angry at me for this. Am I wrong? PS: I never leave in the middle of a match, only after it ends"

If that really is the correct reading of this: there's literally no interpretation of the situation where you are in the wrong.
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Close but not exactly... There's three players I can name(but won't, cause we don't do that here). When I find myself in a match with them, if there are 6 or 8 players, that's fine, I'll play 2-4 matches and then go to the main game (which is normal for me). However, if it's just me and one of them, I will leave matchmaking(not in the middle of a match). This guy today, he knew I was going to leave, because it was only me and him and he's apparently noticed that I leave when it's only me and him.

I really agree with several of the comments that there just aren't enough players in CQC, I think if we were all in 8 player matches back to back to back no one would care who comes and goes and how often.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't committing some kind of CQC-sin by choosing not to continue to play matches with guys that are extremely good. Hopefully I will get to the point where I can compete with them, but right now, it's not a possibility. I took Musketeer's (the guy I'm talking about above was not him) shields down once and felt like I just won the Internet, even though he still killed me.
 

Ganogati

Ganogati
CMDR _BigJay_ said:
This guy today, he knew I was going to leave, because it was only me and him and he's apparently noticed that I leave when it's only me and him.
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CMDR _BigJay_ said:
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't committing some kind of CQC-sin by choosing not to continue to play matches with guys that are extremely good.
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You aren't required to do anything you don't want to do, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. CQC is pretty fun when you have at least a few people in there, but playing 1v1 just sounds dull.

He's taking his frustration with the game out on you. That's really not your problem, so don't worry about it.

Enjoy the game, and keep your hopes up; I've anecdotally heard that there are some improvements coming that may help with getting more folks into CQC, so I'm hopeful there's truth to em and we'll see more folks playing that!
 

Florenus

Florenus
In situation like this you can be friendly and try to encourage the other guy to compete against you, or (as we can see) the other way is to call him names and make a target of some weird vendetta, because this has always worked and made people want to play with you. Like, in prison, for example.

Ignore this guy.
 

Ezren

Ezren
Unfortunately, some of the players in CQC are the worst kind of PvP-gremlins. They have fragile egos and are terrible winners. You'll either win and they'll trash talk the way you won, or lose and they'll trash talk the way you lost. I've gotten messages about being a "coward" for attacking somebody from behind, been told I'm using the "cheap" ship (the default F63), all sorts of nonsense to salve a chaffed ego.

The situation would be better with more players so you could just block that person and not interact with them. But people like that drive others away from CQC even more, which just makes it worse.
 

MUSKETEER

MUSKETEER
I've played online PvP games for 20 years, and Elite Dangerous CQC community is by far the most pathetic.
Quitters, combat loggers, entitled snowflakes, fake K/D clowns like certain player in top 10 of CQC ranking with three-letter name for example.
There are even people regularly caught farming their own AFK alts, one ranked as high as top 30.
I met in the arena people who will just sit there and insult you match after match, thinking you care.

Solo, Private Group modes made people weak, they feel entitled etc. If ED was Open only game we would have much stronger player base with stronger PvP-characters.
The problem starts when non-PvP players force themselves to play PvP in the arena for the rank, it's a hateful, whinny lot.

I get a lot of hateful comments on certain discord channel.. and for what? You would think for doing something wrong, right? Wrong..It's just for me playing the game.
Other newer players just jump on the anti-Musketeer bandwagon cuz they need a common enemy.

I have zero respect for them all.. when I join CQC arena and see them I just farm their asses.
 

CMDR _BigJay_

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MUSKETEER said:
I've played online PvP games for 20 years, and Elite Dangerous CQC community is by far the most pathetic.
Quitters, combat loggers, entitled snowflakes, fake K/D clowns like certain player in top 10 of CQC ranking with three-letter name for example.
There are even people regularly caught farming their own AFK alts, one ranked as high as top 30.
I met in the arena people who will just sit there and insult you match after match, thinking you care.

Solo, Private Group modes made people weak, they feel entitled etc. If ED was Open only game we would have much stronger player base with stronger PvP-characters.
The problem starts when non-PvP players force themselves to play PvP in the arena for the rank, it's a hateful, whinny lot.

I get a lot of hateful comments on certain discord channel.. and for what? You would think for doing something wrong, right? Wrong..It's just for me playing the game.
Other newer players just jump on the anti-Musketeer bandwagon cuz they need a common enemy.

I have zero respect for them all.. when I join CQC arena and see them I just farm their asses.
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I am a non-PVP player, but I am enjoying CQC. I hope you're not saying that you take my post as hateful or whiny. I have a ton of respect for you, and several others. I honestly hope that one day I'll be good enough to compete with you guys at that level. I'm just not there now. I'm posting because IF me leaving the game after a round or two with you is offending you, I'd like to adjust my behavior. As I said in my original post, I feel like I'm in your house(you and the other apex guys) when I play CQC.. I want to be respectful.
 
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