Credit bonuses for "complete star system" scanning

Flying Peanut

Flying Peanut
I see I flashed a lightning bolt on this thread and pulled a frankenstein.

I suppose it is a matter of the attitude of the day to scan and map a whole system or not. I just went around and explored. looked up information up on the internet on gas giants, nebula and other stuff. I certainly had my oohs and aahs and learned a little more about space. With that I also learned more about the game.
until i finally got space madness and returned to the bubble.

I understand there is credits to earn in a system, but I think one can still earn credits even if it is already scanned by somebody else. You will just not be the first to discover and get a bonus from that. Just to day that somebody has to take the honors and someday everything is scanned at mapped, but it won't be me. There is way too many systems out there.
 

Para Handy

Para Handy
Sapyx said:
That hasn't been my recent experience. If you scan one cluster in the belt, it regards the entire belt as scanned, but if there are multiple asteroid belts in the system, you have to scan at least one cluster in each belt for them to "count".
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Para Handy said:
Yeah I was obviously mistaken. I just checked out a good few systems in my exploration account and sure enough you have to FSS-zoom in to one cluster of each belt to clear the signal line. I was sure I had seen the signal clear on fssing all bodies but I must have been mistaken. :oops:

( I have been having a "bad posts day" today - maybe need stronger coffee beans.)
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Strangely this happened to me again last night. As soon as I finished FSSing the last moon the squiggly lines for the remaining asteroid clusters signals disappeared. Weird - I might have to start recording FSS to see if I can catch it again.
 

Jan Odin

J
Sorry for the SLIGHT necro.. only a month :)...

I have a question about the "complete system mapping"... I'm still slightly close the "inner orion spur" bubble I guess it's called (sorry I'm not 100% up on all the lingo I've just been solo exploring mostly).. I'm up and west about 500ly from the Orion Dark region and I still have yet to find any undiscovered system. But i have found plenty that have not yet been mapped. (I did fully map one that was unmapped on my way hope that's not bad form..).

I have a question about the "first to fully map a system" bonus. If I find a system where a commander only mapped one object because it was a high value one like an ammonia world. If I went through and mapped everything would I get the "first to fully map a system" bonus even though there was one object that had been mapped already? It seems to stand to reason that you would since you were in fact the first to map it all, but the fact that someone else already got first mapped on one of say 17 objects gives me some hesitation. The rest of the planets in that system were rather low value except maybe 2 high metal content.
 

Sapyx

Sapyx
I don't think there is a "first to fully map" bonus, only a "fully map" bonus. It doens't matter if you were the first, or the billionth, player to fully map the system, the bonus is the same.

So yes, if you've mapped everything, you should still get the Fully Mapped bonus, whether or not some (or all) of the planets were mapped by others before you.
 

Nightjar

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There is a first-to-map bonus (a flat 1500Cr?) - mapping is lucrative with the high-value stuff, so I think that's just a token (as you get your name on the first-mapped-by as the REAL reward).
o7
 

Jan Odin

J
Ahh, thanks! That makes sense. I guess it would pretty much make most systems worthless for mapping at all unless you just wanted your name on a bunch of icy bodies. I do make sure to map high value objects.

I just unexpectedly came across my first sighting of a Fleet Carrier in a random system, was pretty exciting tbh. I was dreading hopping all the way back somewhere to drop off my explore data and like an oasis there it was. :) I just "cheated" and mapped a path to another one last night using eddb (what a resource.. ).

I have to admit it's annoying navigating around the "permit required" areas. I've owned this game since the beta but this is the first time I've truly sat down and spent time with it, running into all sorts of stuff I had no idea existed once I just started going off in a random direction for 1000s of ly.
 

Nightjar

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There's a lot to find - and a lot to read in/work out in what you find. We all need to get rewards for what we're doing (whatever it is and whatever they are) ... grasshopper.
I just map high-value stuff and move on - got my own FC with UC and taking it easy. You're always welcome to cash-in or re-fuel/arm if you stumble across me (but I don't do sales).
Enjoy!
o7
 

Jan Odin

J
Nightjar said:
There's a lot to find - and a lot to read in/work out in what you find. We all need to get rewards for what we're doing (whatever it is and whatever they are) ... grasshopper.
I just map high-value stuff and move on - got my own FC with UC and taking it easy. You're always welcome to cash-in or re-fuel/arm if you stumble across me (but I don't do sales).
Enjoy!
o7
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As I've ventured away from the bubble I'm finally running into systems that no one has explored yet finally. Doesn't really seem to be a compelling argument for doing that (aside from getting your name on it) as the bonus for it isn't that high. Seems all the money is in mapping high value and terraformable planets.

I finally made it to NGC 7822. Had to route a little bit of it manually as it seems like the auto-routing gives up if it can't route a somewhat straight-ish line to the destination. Seems rational. Wow. So many stars and black holes (of which I also had not seen one yet.. lol). I hear there's a neutron star in here somewhere I must find that and overheat myself by accident.
 

Nightjar

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That's the one!
I've just spent a very relaxed week - earning rent n gathering gas - but the best bit has been working out the things I'm interested in.
There's lots of 'new' - and, if it's boring, move on.
Routing in sparse space can be twiddly :) o7
 

Jan Odin

J
Nightjar said:
That's the one!
I've just spent a very relaxed week - earning rent n gathering gas - but the best bit has been working out the things I'm interested in.
There's lots of 'new' - and, if it's boring, move on.
Routing in sparse space can be twiddly :) o7
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If I see your carrier I'll stop by, so far I've only seen one didn't appear to be owned by you. The Mule.
 

Ca$hback

Ca$hback
I think it's much more selfish to just cherry pick all the good ones without putting in the time to scan the rest, giving you more time to do more cherry picking. I think it's fair game, but I think the principle of "me first" is way more selfish than "leave some gruel for the dregs".
I'm very much for some sort of bonus but even if the reward is credits, theres no point in putting an amount on it until they figure out the value of credits.
 

Jan Odin

J
Ca$hback said:
I think it's much more selfish to just cherry pick all the good ones without putting in the time to scan the rest, giving you more time to do more cherry picking. I think it's fair game, but I think the principle of "me first" is way more selfish than "leave some gruel for the dregs".
I'm very much for some sort of bonus but even if the reward is credits, theres no point in putting an amount on it until they figure out the value of credits.
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There is a bonus for being the first one to discover an object or the first to map an object or as someone taught me earlier just mapping the whole system regardless of first-map state. I'm not going to pass up mapping the terrformable, water or ammonia worlds as i'm making my way to some other part of the galaxy, that would be silly to pass that up.

To be clear, the reward for "being first to discover or map " an object seems to be FAR lower than the value for just mapping the high value world in the first place even if someone else already mapped it. I'm not about to map an entire system of 35 objects of mostly icy bodies because I want to map the two terraformable planets in the system. I don't really see a problem with just mapping those even if I'm the first to the system. The bonus for being first to map pales in comparison to mapping it regardless. And I really don't think anyone cares that my CMDR name is on the first mapped by. No one knows me..

Though I have to say as I've been flying around one name I see relentlessly is `Validating" :)
 

ChipStar65

ChipStar65
According to my FC's Universal Cartographics module, the only monetary reward given as a bonus is for First Discovery. It is possible that First Discovery+First To Map gets an additional bonus but UC does not break that out even if you sell each system page individually (which I do). If you are first to map an object that has a First Discovered By tag already listed, there is no credit bonus for that First To Map, the only "Accolade" (as the UC UI calls it) is your Cmdr's name on the First Mapped By tag. I have seen no separate bonus being paid or Accolade given for completely discovering a system with the FSS (including all 'roid belts), but it may not be documented in the payout UI, just added in without comment.

@Para Handy: I, too, have seen asteroid belt signals vanish from the FSS spectrum upon receiving the "System Scan Complete" message. Not sure how that affects any payouts, though.

As mentioned mapping earns credits whether you are first or fiftieth. I use mapping as the principal means of financing my FC's weekly expenses, though I rarely map every object in a system (just once so far, in the system where I found my first ELW First Discovery). From the tag patterns I've observed, there seem to be a great many systems along my path that were tagged before FSS was launched, since only the primary star and a few higher-value objects were tagged for First Discovery, and most not mapped at all. In most cases where mapping was done it was limited to the higher-value objects -- seems cherry-picking has been around for a long time. I focus on the smaller worlds and giants of unusual character, such as life-bearing GGs. I also scan ring systems, mostly icies, for fuel and high-end mineral cargo opportunities (aka hotspots). Rings can be First Discovered and First Mapped (they are treated by UC as separate Astronomical Objects) but give no cred bonus and no tag, so no reason to do it unless you're looking for Rocket Tea or Ring Bling minerals to mine.

I'm leaving the Inner Orion Spur region in a day or so, it will be interesting to see how the numbers of already-visited systems drop off (or if they do) as I move into Elysian Shores.
 

iain666

iain666
ChipStar65 said:
According to my FC's Universal Cartographics module, the only monetary reward given as a bonus is for First Discovery. It is possible that First Discovery+First To Map gets an additional bonus but UC does not break that out even if you sell each system page individually (which I do). If you are first to map an object that has a First Discovered By tag already listed, there is no credit bonus for that First To Map
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You certainly used to get a bonus for first mapped, even if not first discovered. See https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/exploration-value-formulae.232000/

It would be disappointing if that has changed (and also require code changes in EDD)
 

ChipStar65

ChipStar65
iain666 said:
You certainly used to get a bonus for first mapped, even if not first discovered. See https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/exploration-value-formulae.232000/
It would be disappointing if that has changed (and also require code changes in EDD)
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Yeah, it surprised me as well, but what can you do? I will post some screenshots of the UC tally later tonight or tomorrow as I have some exploradata to turn in, hopefully examples of each kind of payout and "Accolade"/bonus creds.
 

Straha Yeagar

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Since Fleet Carriers dropped, I have heard mentions of problems with bonus' when selling data one system at a time. The bonus' appear to be fine if selling data by the whole page of 50.
 

ChipStar65

ChipStar65
Straha Yeagar said:
Since Fleet Carriers dropped, I have heard mentions of problems with bonus' when selling data one system at a time. The bonus' appear to be fine if selling data by the whole page of 50.
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Which is odd because I have experienced just the opposite, and Frontier Support confirmed there is an issue -- it's an ongoing ticket. The last time I sold pages as a group all at once, I received zero notifications of any of my many Firsts (about 30 systems worth of data) in the UC UI, although the GalMap did show the proper tag "Accolades" and I may have received proper cred bonuses -- how can you tell if it's not reported in the UI? Since then I've been submitting single pages and all bonuses and Accolades have been properly awarded. Go figure :\
 
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