Custom Music

[Vampiro]

I also find it more and more strange when Frontier talks about music in the game.

- In a last stream it was mentioned that on-board music is under consideration.
- Dark rides are under "heavy" consideration. (Guess thats only 1 step away from a real confirmation)

But both features are pretty worthless without custom music in my opinion. As i can't imagine building my own darkride but then not being allowed to put my music in.
Once again, i hope we will get some clearification on this.

Besides the costum music thing i also wonder about speakers. Being able to have custom music is 1, but then we also need speakers to "theme up" some park area's with nice music. Just like in darkrides, where you want to have different themes in different "rooms". (don't make it too complicated, RCT3's system wasn't perfect but it worked well enough in my opinion)

 

[Manuel]

I also find it more and more strange when Frontier talks about music in the game.

- In a last stream it was mentioned that on-board music is under consideration.
- Dark rides are under "heavy" consideration. (Guess thats only 1 step away from a real confirmation)

But both features are pretty worthless without custom music in my opinion. As i can't imagine building my own darkride but then not being allowed to put my music in.
Once again, i hope we will get some clearification on this.

Besides the costum music thing i also wonder about speakers. Being able to have custom music is 1, but then we also need speakers to "theme up" some park area's with nice music. Just like in darkrides, where you want to have different themes in different "rooms". (don't make it too complicated, RCT3's system wasn't perfect but it worked well enough in my opinion)

I would be perfectly fine with custom music ingame which is not shareable with the community.
But please put it in indeed!

 

[Periocus]

I think the last is the best option too.

And anyway, the "offline importer" can be added very easily.
So if they take the first solution, nothing prevents that they provides both at the end.

Indeed.

This is why I support the idea of an official online custom content library natively in the game, more than the old offline "importer" (like they did in RCTW)

With the UGC library, no need to worry if the theme is in the good category/theme, etc ... because you can check these things when you select the setting of the object. Everything is classified, stored, in a database used by all players, and the "missing music" can not be a problem [yesnod][up]

The database is a good idea when everything is settled. Forget to mention that.

Sometimes i get the impression that the devs are as stunned what people do with those parts. Some things have to get sorted therei would guess.

 

[Dalenotchip]

There are a lot of copyright lawyers here. [big grin]

Seriously, the only reason they will either include it or exclude it is how they envision the game and if they want to spend their resources coding it. It is easy to completely side step all the nuances of copyright law by making parks with UCG (including music and pictures) un-shareable and ones that use only stock resources, or sanctioned UCG shareable.

And the whole streaming online argument is really a mute point as you can always edit the video to play your own music or just have it on while recording.

 

[Angelis1]

And the whole streaming online argument is really a mute point as you can always edit the video to play your own music or just have it on while recording.

"streaming online" ? "edit the video" ? [weird]I do not understand the relationship between the custom music and ... Making video and online streaming [sad]

Maybe it's me but ... could you explain please ?

 

[Dalenotchip]

"streaming online" people refereed to copyright music being on You tube and twitch. However when you are editing the video for you tube you can lay soundtracks over your video just like when people are playing music during their time lapse videos. So I could make a Pirate of the Caribbean clone dark ride, record it, and then play the POTC theme over the video.

 

[Angelis1]

"streaming online" people refereed to copyright music being on You tube and twitch. However when you are editing the video for you tube you can lay soundtracks over your video just like when people are playing music during their time lapse videos. So I could make a Pirate of the Caribbean clone dark ride, record it, and then play the POTC theme over the video.

Okay ...

So, it's not true.
You can not use a music title without having the rights to use it.
From the moment the video is public, monetized or not, you have to respect the rules of the copyright, if you do not use music that is not copyright-free

If not, the owners (Walt Disney in this cast) may very well request the blocking of the video (using the "Youtube Content ID" system).

This is also why Youtube launched a music library available here : https://www.youtube.com/audiolibrary/music

If you plan to include copyright-protected material in your video, you’ll generally need to seek permission to do so first. YouTube cannot grant you these rights and we are unable to assist creators in finding and contacting the parties who may be able to grant them to you. You may wish to consult a qualified attorney if you have questions about the use of copyright-protected material. Also, YouTube offers a free audio library with music that creators can use in their YouTube videos.

Source : Youtube

This is not because you can do something without getting caught, that this becomes legal [happy]

 

[Dalenotchip]

Okay ...

So, it's not true.
You can not use a music title without having the rights to use it.
From the moment the video is public, monetized or not, you have to respect the rules of the copyright, if you do not use music that is not copyright-free

If not, the owners (Walt Disney in this cast) may very well request the blocking of the video (using the "Youtube Content ID" system).

This is also why Youtube launched a music library available here : https://www.youtube.com/audiolibrary/music


Source : Youtube

This is not because you can do something without getting caught, that this becomes legal [happy]

Yes but that has nothing to do with if they let it in the game. What i'm saying is even if they don't allow it we could still edit our videos to have our own music. Then we would still have to follow you tube's rules or what ever video site we use.

Copyright and you tube is a completely different argument than adding our own music to the game to be played on our own computers.

 

[Angelis1]

Yes but that has nothing to do with if they let it in the game. What i'm saying is even if they don't allow it we could still edit our videos to have our own music. Then we would still have to follow you tube's rules or what ever video site we use.

Copyright and you tube is a completely different argument than adding our own music to the game to be played on our own computers.

Hmmm, I think you don't understand how the game will works.
If it's in your computer, it's not a real problem, legally speaking, because you are solely responsible for what you do on your computer.

But here, it's the same thing as youtube : you will be able to create a public park, that people can visit (if they are in your friend list), in real time, and (if UGC music is activated) hear the music, that the creator selected, in live.

In fact, to be honest, it's even worse than Youtube :
I will try to explain.

If your park is public, we need to "download" the park before to visit it.
You just can NOT make a park, using the "Pirates Of The Caribbean" music in a speaker for exemple, and let thousands of people download your park ... with the music file that goes with.
The legal consequences for you (and Frontier) would be even more catastrophic than "just" not having paid the music royalties on a not-monetized youtube video.

This is why I said that there is two possibilities (here : https://forums.planetcoaster.com/showthread.php/4450-Custom-Music/page2?p=44726&viewfull=1#post44726)

- If you activate the "online" function, the "Custom Content" (from your computer is "grayed") and you need to use the official content and the UGC available at the library
- If you desactivate the "online" function, you can use any kind of content you want (textures, 3D objets, music, logo, anything from your computer) but all the social and online features will be deactivated for this specific park

[yesnod]

 

[Dalenotchip]

And as I said it only depends on if Frontier want's to do it or not and the legality of sharing music is not relevant. It is not hard to code it to if you have custom music it won't be shared and if you don't it will. It all boils down to them either wanting to or not.

 

[Vampiro]

And as I said it only depends on if Frontier want's to do it or not and the legality of sharing music is not relevant. It is not hard to code it to if you have custom music it won't be shared and if you don't it will. It all boils down to them either wanting to or not.

I think i get what you mean now...

Using an importer to import our music into PC and make a movie then and upload it to youtube is NOT permitted.
Making a movie of a ride, then edit music under the video and upload it to youtube is NOT permitted.

So all he's saying is, legal matters should not be an argument to not have custom music. If Frontier doesn't include custom music because of legal matters, we should also ban the radio just in case someone is taping it and uploading it.

The -uploader- is responsible for the content, and thus it doesn't matter if the music is eddited in the movie, imported in the game or just in the game by the way of custom music. In all 3 cases the uploader is responsible.

The -only- thing thats relevant here is that the custom music can not be shared when you visit a friends park, thats all.
So in this i think i agree with dalenotchip that it all comes down to Frontier wanting it in the game yes or no.

(But i have the slightest idea we pretty much all agree on this but we just have very different ways of expressing ourselfs) [tongue]

 

[liam1]

They should include it definitely. Alot of people have said the custom music should come with other peoples parks, I think this is their worry because it will be seen as a filesharing system with lots of illegal content on planet coasters servers. If we have the option of just adding our own custom music it should just be on your computer.

This feature NEEDS to be in for me, I had alot of fun taking jurrasic park noises and other themes to really make your ride/section of the park have real character, I even made some of my own music tracks for rides and found it very much worth it!

An amazing idea would be to have a music community within the game, upload your own tracks, rated by the public, before you know it even 100 custom tracks in categories would be a big help to everyone. Music from rtc3 was not that great in terms of what you';d actually hear at a theme park, I'm hoping frontier will do us proud once again, currently loving the alpha!

 

[CableGuy1]

Personally, I'd give up sharing my parks to keep custom music. I see no harm in sharing your creations, such as buildings, rides etc., but a theme park without good, themed music just doesn't feel right.
As an option, if you select an 'offline' park you can have your own music. If you share the park the custom music is disabled.

 

[Angelis1]

Personally, I'd give up sharing my parks to keep custom music. I see no harm in sharing your creations, such as buildings, rides etc., but a theme park without good, themed music just doesn't feel right.
As an option, if you select an 'offline' park you can have your own music. If you share the park the custom music is disabled.

I don't like the idea to build something with custom content, and it's disabled or disappears if you decide to share it, particularly when we can have custom music in both case (online and offline) with the "custom content library" idea.

Only the illegal music will be impossible to use in the online mode, but we can still have custom content in both case.

 

[Vampiro]

I don't like the idea to build something with custom content, and it's disabled or disappears if you decide to share it, particularly when we can have custom music in both case (online and offline) with the "custom content library" idea.

Only the illegal music will be impossible to use in the online mode, but we can still have custom content in both case.

To me thats all fine

Sharing parks, and visiting other's parks is a "nice to have" for me. But being able to have my own music in my own park is more of a "must have".
But ofcourse it doesn't matter to me much which method i have to use, as long as it will result in my favorite themes in my darkrides