In my experiance imperial ships run hotter especially down on planets. 8A plus a tear 5 Dirty drive fries on planets unless you fly like a granny.
I go clean drive.
And yes i experiance a little more drift. just need to adjust my fly style.
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In my experiance imperial ships run hotter especially down on planets. 8A plus a tear 5 Dirty drive fries on planets unless you fly like a granny.
I go clean drive.
And yes i experiance a little more drift. just need to adjust my fly style.
Touche' .
But it's only a matter of time. 700+ tons of cargo and the next CG will make him 'Class 8A Thruster' money in no time. I'd sell of every ship I own ( and I have a 700+ million credit Corvette ) before I sell the Cutter. I sold everything I had to purchase it. And it paid for my Corvette, AspX, Vulture, and Python and put 300+ million in 'mad money' in my Bank of Zaonce account.
But back to the OP's question. The best thrusters, with the best upgrade, will yield the best performance. While nothing will eliminate the drift-iness of the Cutter, you can make it better. It will never handle like a Viper. It will never win a turning fight and you'll never outmaneuver anything, period. It has two defenses, speed and massive shields.
With my own, I use the speed to outrun what I don't outgun. An Elite Anaconda or Corvette can't touch my top speed. They can light me up for the 10-20 seconds I'm in range. An FDL simply can't get through my shields before I jump out. Anything else fits in either of those two categories.
A: Big enough to hurt, but to slow to catch.
B: Fast enough to keep up, but to small to hurt.
Not having A class thrusters allows bigger opponents the opportunity to catch you, putting you at risk. Make them a priority.
The Cutter is such a barge to turn that the grade of your drives or how they're engineered makes no real difference.
The ONLY way to turn a Cutter before you die of old age is to FA-OFF boost turn.
Better thrusters will allow you to chase down enemies trying to flee. That is all they are useful for.
You do not need better thrusters for anything else because they offer no real benefits to anything else.
Nobody needs to flee in a Cutter because they cannot be mass-locked, just casually jump away from the fight at your leisure.... [cool]
The ONLY way to turn a Cutter before you die of old age is to FA-OFF boost turn.
Better thrusters will allow you to chase down enemies trying to flee. That is all they are useful for.
You do not need better thrusters for anything else because they offer no real benefits to anything else.
Nobody needs to flee in a Cutter because they cannot be mass-locked, just casually jump away from the fight at your leisure.... [cool]
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Yeah i put DD upgrade to my 8A and you can notice the difference and not just in the speed increase IMO
And the Cutter dose need it...
And the Cutter dose need it...
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I disagree with most the posts here. Sort of.
Here's a sort of half engineered cutter I was playing with in the site for multicrew. not really finished or min/maxed by any means, but maybe representative of someone who is actively working on upgrading their cutter (it's just something I had plugged in already in my browser here coincidentally in other words, not saying you should actually build it this way by any means).
Here I've used the "pretty okay"-ish roll preset on dirty drives 5 on both thrusters.
As you can see (on the table at the right) the difference will give you around 10-20 on 4pips/boost, and a couple degrees to roll and a degree to yaw.
I don't think it's going to be a game changer. Some ships maybe, but the cutter is a dog. The dirty drives you already slapped on it gives you a lot more of a boost than going from C to A rated actually both to speed and handling. So you would have noticed putting dirty drives on on your C's more than you will notice the upgrade to an A.
That said I'd still go for it because I'm always working on upgrading my ships.
But it may not be a priority for you if the cutter isn't your main ship or you want to spend your time working towards another goal.
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=A0_C,...vcQ8vcQEucwUswE7iMOf46vcQ8vcQEucwUswE6D292UI1
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=A0_C,...vcQ8vcQEucwUswE7iMOf46vcQ8vcQEucwUswE6D292UI1
Edit: Well I just realized in OP you said you had clean drives. You'll notice a pretty good difference both buying the A's and getting dirty drives on there combined. I would never use clean drives unless your ship is so hot that it overheats from them. My vote is now changed to get A's and dirty drives them but I'm leaving that above up just for info's sake.
Here's a sort of half engineered cutter I was playing with in the site for multicrew. not really finished or min/maxed by any means, but maybe representative of someone who is actively working on upgrading their cutter (it's just something I had plugged in already in my browser here coincidentally in other words, not saying you should actually build it this way by any means).
Here I've used the "pretty okay"-ish roll preset on dirty drives 5 on both thrusters.
As you can see (on the table at the right) the difference will give you around 10-20 on 4pips/boost, and a couple degrees to roll and a degree to yaw.
I don't think it's going to be a game changer. Some ships maybe, but the cutter is a dog. The dirty drives you already slapped on it gives you a lot more of a boost than going from C to A rated actually both to speed and handling. So you would have noticed putting dirty drives on on your C's more than you will notice the upgrade to an A.
That said I'd still go for it because I'm always working on upgrading my ships.
But it may not be a priority for you if the cutter isn't your main ship or you want to spend your time working towards another goal.
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=A0_C,...vcQ8vcQEucwUswE7iMOf46vcQ8vcQEucwUswE6D292UI1
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=A0_C,...vcQ8vcQEucwUswE7iMOf46vcQ8vcQEucwUswE6D292UI1
Edit: Well I just realized in OP you said you had clean drives. You'll notice a pretty good difference both buying the A's and getting dirty drives on there combined. I would never use clean drives unless your ship is so hot that it overheats from them. My vote is now changed to get A's and dirty drives them but I'm leaving that above up just for info's sake.
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It's not really so much the boost speed but the maneuverability I'm hoping the upgrade would help. For instance if at 90% throttle and you pitch 90% would the better drives take less time to adjust your course? Or if slowing from 75% to 25% throttle?
Good point on the boost though meaning when you do you still slide you just slide faster.
Sounds like I need to keep saving my pennies.
The only really effective way of increasing your pitch rate is to play with your pips in ENG and try to aim for the most-maneuverable speed. (In supercruise it's actually 50% throttle and not 75%!)
8A G5 DD makes a massive difference in controlling your drift. So long as you actually use your maneuvering thrusters and FA-OFF.
Here's a typical iCutter loadout with your 8C Thrusters, G5 Clean Drives:
http://edshipyard.com/#/L=A0_0,Hf50...25S025S0,7XQ07n201tO00AA00AA050U016y01LU02UI0
Here's the same iCutter loadout with no changes except 8A Thrusters and G5 Dirty Drives:
http://edshipyard.com/#/L=A0_0,Hf50...25S025S0,7XQ07n201tO00AA00AA050U016y01LU02UI0
So, it's up to you to decide if you want to spend 160 million credits on something that lets you perform a 180° flip 1s faster and boost 50m/s quicker whilst having to deal with the excess heat and power draw.
http://edshipyard.com/#/L=A0_0,Hf50...25S025S0,7XQ07n201tO00AA00AA050U016y01LU02UI0
Here's the same iCutter loadout with no changes except 8A Thrusters and G5 Dirty Drives:
http://edshipyard.com/#/L=A0_0,Hf50...25S025S0,7XQ07n201tO00AA00AA050U016y01LU02UI0
8C Clean (4 pips to ENG)
22°/s max pitch speed
8s for a 180° flip
243m/s and 390m/s boost
8A Dirty (4 pips to ENG)
25°/s max pitch speed
7s for a 180° flip
277m/s and 443m/s boost
22°/s max pitch speed
8s for a 180° flip
243m/s and 390m/s boost
8A Dirty (4 pips to ENG)
25°/s max pitch speed
7s for a 180° flip
277m/s and 443m/s boost
So, it's up to you to decide if you want to spend 160 million credits on something that lets you perform a 180° flip 1s faster and boost 50m/s quicker whilst having to deal with the excess heat and power draw.
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I don't know what it is, but something does not look right with those numbers. My cutter has about the same weight and is 460+ on boost and pitches a bit better. It has 8ADD Thrusters.
You were right - I had the speeds the wrong way around, now fixed.
Also, those rolls are not indicative of the best G5 mods you can get because secondary effects aren't taken into account. I just picked those presets because they were apples-to-apples presets for comparison between 8C clean and 8A dirty. My own cutter has a lot of room for improvement and I'm already boosting at 480m/s. I've heard people claim 550m/s from a cutter on these forums and whether that's true or not, nobody disputed it at the time.
Ya, I checked the link and saw that you went with the "advertised max".... which we both know is more of a guide than a rule.... Muahahahahahaha!!!!
Hi Guys,
Looking at upgrading thrusters too.
With a Cutter done up solely as a Battle Wagon why would you want GR5 Dirty Drives?
Isn't the point that we are going nowhere?
We own the space until we decide its time to leave?
But seriously, how bad is the drift with GR5 DD ?
And is Clean Drives better for a laser weapons set up? (limiting heat?)
Thanks for any advice!
Looking at upgrading thrusters too.
With a Cutter done up solely as a Battle Wagon why would you want GR5 Dirty Drives?
Isn't the point that we are going nowhere?
We own the space until we decide its time to leave?
But seriously, how bad is the drift with GR5 DD ?
And is Clean Drives better for a laser weapons set up? (limiting heat?)
Thanks for any advice!
With a Combat build you want dirty drives for maximum turn rate, and the Cutter's strength in combat is being able to control the combat distance. You can't do either of those if you're slow and unable to change which direction you're shooting in.
The drift is always bad; as an example, if you pull a 90-degree turn in a cutter at full speed, it can take 3-4 successive boosts before you're moving in the direction you're pointing. PIP managment, flying in the blue-zone and FA-OFF with the lateral thrusters seems to be the best way to control drift.
Clean drives might be better for lasers, but lasers definitely aren't better for combat, unless we're talking zero-risk PVE and your definition of "better" is fewer trips back to base rather than fewer dps.
The drift is always bad; as an example, if you pull a 90-degree turn in a cutter at full speed, it can take 3-4 successive boosts before you're moving in the direction you're pointing. PIP managment, flying in the blue-zone and FA-OFF with the lateral thrusters seems to be the best way to control drift.
Clean drives might be better for lasers, but lasers definitely aren't better for combat, unless we're talking zero-risk PVE and your definition of "better" is fewer trips back to base rather than fewer dps.
I have two Cutters. One with grade 5 dirty drive tuned 8A thrusters for max speed of 471 m/s. The ship has no temperature problems whatsoever.
My other Cutter has grade 5 drity drive tuned 6D thrusters! Yes, Six D. To equip them, I had to reduce the max cargo to 64 tons, because of the low maximum weight the thrusters can move.
Obviously this is an exploration vessel but it can boost up to 398 m/s. I can fuelscoop forever at 65% temperature.
It depends very much on the prupose of the ship what class of thrusters you install, but I always recommend DD5 tuning.
o7
My other Cutter has grade 5 drity drive tuned 6D thrusters! Yes, Six D. To equip them, I had to reduce the max cargo to 64 tons, because of the low maximum weight the thrusters can move.
Obviously this is an exploration vessel but it can boost up to 398 m/s. I can fuelscoop forever at 65% temperature.
It depends very much on the prupose of the ship what class of thrusters you install, but I always recommend DD5 tuning.
o7
G5 Dirty Drive modification definitely helps with the anemic thrusters and some of the skidding, generally improves all the Cutter's X/Y/Z performance. The BEST way to control skidding is to simply get off the throttle a little bit like, 90% instead of 100%. Makes a lot of difference. o7
With a Cutter done up solely as a Battle Wagon why would you want GR5 Dirty Drives?
Isn't the point that we are going nowhere?
We own the space until we decide its time to leave?
That top speed is a crucial part of being able to decide when it is time to leave.
I have 3 Cutters. Alll equiped for different jobs (I've been playing since Beta, money tends to rack up ) I'm just trying to equip the 3rd for exploration, and the one thing I haven't done yet on this one is the drives. The others have G5 dirty drive mods, and boy, is there a major difference! Even clean drives are good (better for heat management if you need it)
If you can afford it, 8A thrusters with a grade 5 dirty drive upgrade and you will not regret it! Drift drops massively and it becomes an (more) awesome machine
) I'm just trying to equip the 3rd for exploration, and the one thing I haven't done yet on this one is the drives. The others have G5 dirty drive mods, and boy, is there a major difference! Even clean drives are good (better for heat management if you need it)If you can afford it, 8A thrusters with a grade 5 dirty drive upgrade and you will not regret it! Drift drops massively and it becomes an (more) awesome machine