Dear FD - Data is plural...

ooh ooh! now is my time to repost the Poem poking fun at just how much of a MESS the English language is. No, really! You proffered proper English speakers, prepare to exercise those eyebrow raising muscles, by simply reading the poem to yourselves aloud, and taking note of what your eyes are seeing, and what your own ears are hearing you say:

The Chaos (by G. Nolst Trenité, a.k.a. "Charivarius"; 1870 - 1946)

Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,

I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse

I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.

Tear in eye your dress you'll tear,
So shall I! Oh, hear my prayer,

Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!

Just compare heart, beard and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,

Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written).

Made has not the sound of bade,
Say said, pay-paid, laid, but plaid.

Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,

But be careful how you speak,
Say break, steak, but bleak and streak.

Previous, precious, fuchsia, via,
Pipe, snipe, recipe and choir,

Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,

Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles.
Exiles, similes, reviles.

Wholly, holly, signal, signing.
Thames, examining, combining

Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war, and far.

From "desire": desirable--admirable from "admire."
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier.

Chatham, brougham, renown, but known.
Knowledge, done, but gone and tone,

One, anemone. Balmoral.
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel,

Gertrude, German, wind, and mind.
Scene, Melpomene, mankind,

Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, reading, heathen, heather.

This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.

Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet;

Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.

Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which is said to rime with "darky."

Viscous, Viscount, load, and broad.
Toward, to forward, to reward.

And your pronunciation's O.K.,
When you say correctly: croquet.

Rounded, wounded, grieve, and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive, and live,

Liberty, library, heave, and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven,

We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.

Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover,

Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police, and lice.

Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label,

Petal, penal, and canal,
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal.

Suit, suite, ruin, circuit, conduit,
Rime with "shirk it" and "beyond it."

But it is not hard to tell,
Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.

Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion,

Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, and chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor,

Ivy, privy, famous, clamour
And enamour rime with hammer.

:):):):):), hussy, and possess,
Desert, but dessert, address.

Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants.
Hoist, in lieu of flags, left pennants.

River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.

Stranger does not rime with anger.
Neither does devour with clangour.

Soul, but foul and gaunt but aunt.
Font, front, won't, want, grand, and grant.

Shoes, goes, does. Now first say: finger.
And then: singer, ginger, linger,

Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age.

Query does not rime with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.

Dost, lost, post; and doth, cloth, loth;
Job, Job; blossom, bosom, oath.

Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual.

Seat, sweat; chaste, caste.; Leigh, eight, height;
Put, nut; granite, and unite.

Reefer does not rime with deafer,
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.

Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late,
Hint, pint, Senate, but sedate.

Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific,

Tour, but our and succour, four,
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.

Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria,

Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion.

Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay.

Say aver, but ever, fever.
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.

Never guess--it is not safe:
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralph.

Heron, granary, canary,
Crevice and device, and eyrie,

Face but preface, but efface,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.

Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust, and scour, but scourging,

Ear but earn, and wear and bear
Do not rime with here, but ere.

Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,

Monkey, donkey, clerk, and jerk,
Asp, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation--think of psyche--!
Is a paling, stout and spikey,

Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing "groats" and saying "grits"?

It's a dark abyss or tunnel,
Strewn with stones, like rowlock, gunwale,

Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict, and indict!

Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?

Finally: which rimes with "enough"
Though, through, plough, cough, hough, or tough?

Hiccough has the sound of "cup."
My advice is--give it up!

pure magic. I just love/hate it. It shows how each native English speaker already has such programming already in our heads, that we were never quite aware of. To a foreign speaker trying to learn to speak English, this will give him a headache... and many a funny look at us as we fluidly pronounce each set entirely differently without a thought.
 
I would have thought it to be "doi-Ta"

And to flip the contept, "propah" English in "mutha" England is rarely properly spoken. If I was giving an interview to a job applicant, and the lazy seeming lout could not be bothered to properly pronounce... nor even be bothered to finish- his spoken words, that would have far more weight for me than typos (that the mdern wrld cam read ritr through anyway) [<-- see? you just did- probably didn't even skip a beat]

If I were!
Quite. 50 years ago, you wouldn't have got the job yourself!

Language, particularly accent and variety, are often used to form judgments of a person's suitability for a job, for example, although all the language really does is indicate the social class, subculture and background of a person. In short, it's about in-groups and out-groups. I'm fortunate in that I went to a grammar school and had the prestige form of London English drilled into me. Employers seem to think I share their proletarian-crushing values all the time, so I'm never short of work. Put me in Edinburgh after a few beers, and my English will seem to be entirely unrelated. I also do a mean Scottish RP and SE English Estuary. My academic English is killer.

The point is that people are, often entirely unwittingly, polyglossic. The saying "would you speak to your mother with that mouth?" captures it perfectly.

I rembeemr rdnaeig an arlctie ages ago taht we can wrok an auwfl lot of sfutf out and taht even the oedrr of lettres in a word do not mteatr as lnog as the fisrt and last oens are crrecot. I even worte a wee aptilaiocpn that mseesd arunod wtih the order, jsut for a lgauh. :)
Further research has indicated that there are limitations to it; it's not just random letters between the first and last. It's also important that the first and last letters of syllables are presented in the correct order. For most English words, this isn't an issue (something like 80% of the most commonly used words are single-syllable Anglo-Saxon-derived terms), but the intelligibility of words like "prevarication" or "antidisestablishmentarianism" suffer greatly if the order of letters is randomised across syllables.

What's "Horizons"?
 
Two spaces after a period...WW 3 will start if you disagree....crazy kids.

You must be terribly disappointed when HTML keeps truncating your multiple spaces back to one. :)

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While there are many that use data as a plural, there are just as many if not more people who use it as a singular mass noun. Since the rule of language is based on usage, I'd say you pendantary is over ruled by common usage. ;)

Exactly this. It becomes correct when people make it correct by usage. Language is in constant flux, and people who think they speak correctly today would have been made fun of a hundred years ago.

Although their name might suggest otherwise, dictionaries only document language, they don't dictate it. In theory there is no such thing as correct language, even tough some institutions try to act as if language is something that is being decreed by a higher power and not formed and transformed by everyone who uses it. Well, they are wrong. If you are being understood, you did well... or "you did good", as is more and more common.
 
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I'm just going to throw this into the ring and run. :D

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"The Government is wrong", rather than "the Government are wrong," though both are acceptable and more or less common depending on where in the world you live.

I live in the UK and the Government is/are a bunch of (I hate forum filters).

:p
 
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