Dear FDEV: Type-9 Buff - Increase FSD!

mtt9999 [Parabolus]

mtt9999 [Parabolus]
FDEV, thanks very much about the recent buff to the internals of the Type-9 - 256 more cargo may make it a viable trader again - with one exception. The jump range will now be terrible with all this new cargo (around 10ly fully stripped - or 17ly engineered). This range is worse than a Corvette outfitted for trade. Any chance you could consider increasing the FSD of the Type-9 to a size 7?

For reference the Cutter can get 16ly / 28ly engineered.

Thoughts?
 

Vasious

Vasious
mtt9999 said:
FDEV, thanks very much about the recent buff to the internals of the Type-9 - 256 more cargo may make it a viable trader again - with one exception. The jump range will now be terrible with all this new cargo (around 10ly fully stripped - or 17ly engineered). This range is worse than a Corvette outfitted for trade. Any chance you could consider increasing the FSD of the Type-9 to a size 7?

For reference the Cutter can get 16ly / 28ly engineered.

Thoughts?
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It's hull was decreased from 1000 tons to 850 tons to compensate
 

mtt9999 [Parabolus]

mtt9999 [Parabolus]
Thanks! I need to do a test in beta then! Based on my calculations the Anaconda would still be a better trader on trade routes father than 50ly. Even 2 more jumps a route mean the Conda can do more over the course of an hour...
 

PanTast

PanTast
One day in the far future when mankind has evolved to a better species ...

... we will get an Exploration Pilot Licence that allows you to stick whatever you want into wichever ship you like optional whereever compartement...

o7
 

Majic-12

Majic-12
With full cargo racks, it's still going to have a shorter jump range, but might possibly be able to chip away at the Imperial Cutter's status as the One Ship To Rule Them All. At least, in the trade department, maybe.

Yeah right, who am I kidding? Nobody.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's back to grinding my way up to the Ultimate Ship. Just a couple hundred million more credits to go...
 

777Driver

777Driver
mtt9999 said:
Thanks! I need to do a test in beta then! Based on my calculations the Anaconda would still be a better trader on trade routes father than 50ly. Even 2 more jumps a route mean the Conda can do more over the course of an hour...
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My beta build hauls 760 tonnes at 19ly laden, 31ly empty, that is only with 45% optimal FSD. The wing missions are up to 4000 tonne per mission, always within 15lys. There is no way the Anaconda can outrade the Cutter or T9.

With the new engineering you could get it above 22ly fully laden, probably more if you lightweight the modules..
 
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kofeyh

kofeyh
mtt9999 said:
Thanks! I need to do a test in beta then! Based on my calculations the Anaconda would still be a better trader on trade routes father than 50ly. Even 2 more jumps a route mean the Conda can do more over the course of an hour...
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Because it has 400t hull mass. Type-9 was always heavy, it's still heavy and has lost 100t. It's not going to outjump the Anaconda. Nothing does. It's unlikely anything ever will. But Type-9 can out-carry it. Massively. Most profitable trade routes peak at about 50-60ly anyway; which is now essentially 3 jumps under near max capacity with grade 5 FSD.

Please try beta. I think it will help answer your questions better than third-party theorycrafting. Do the experiment; find out for yourself. :)
 
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mtt9999 [Parabolus]

mtt9999 [Parabolus]
777Driver said:
My beta build hauls 760 tonnes at 19ly laden, 31ly empty, that is only with 45% optimal FSD. The wing missions are up to 4000 tonne per mission, always within 15lys. There is no way the Anaconda can outrade the Cutter or T9.

With the new engineering you could get it above 22ly fully laden, probably more if you lightweight the modules..
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Excellent! That is good to know it works for the local wing missions, and that is a part of 3.0 game play I am excited for.

That being said, I'm trading at the current cg and the nearest stations with consumer tech are about 65ly away. My conda can travel 34ly with around 500 tonnes. So with your type-9 it would take 4 extra jumps per round trip (or about 4 minutes extra per load), which equates to 4.5 return trips per hour totalling 3,420 tonnes (760/13min), yet over the course of an hour my conda delivers 7 round trips totalling 3,500 tonnes (500/9min). So to say the Conda can no way outrade the type-9 might not be entirely accurate.

My point is not about short range trading.... While I agree with you that in short range (1 jump or less) the Conda cannot compete with type-9, anything above 50ly-60ly is basically a wash between the two. That to me seems like a limitation for a ship that is supposed to be the best 'dedicated' trader in the universe.
 
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mtt9999 [Parabolus]

mtt9999 [Parabolus]
kofeyh said:
Please try beta. I think it will help answer your questions better than third-party theorycrafting. Do the experiment; find out for yourself. :)
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I am impressed with the range considering the hull decrease, Driver's build looks promising. I certainly will do a test in beta or the live build. That being said, my OP was before I had the knowledge of the hull mass reduction (which I guess is why we post on forums!), which makes a huge difference!
 

Enrogue

Enrogue
mtt9999 said:
FDEV, thanks very much about the recent buff to the internals of the Type-9 - 256 more cargo may make it a viable trader again - with one exception. The jump range will now be terrible with all this new cargo (around 10ly fully stripped - or 17ly engineered). This range is worse than a Corvette outfitted for trade. Any chance you could consider increasing the FSD of the Type-9 to a size 7?

For reference the Cutter can get 16ly / 28ly engineered.

Thoughts?
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You just want more bang for your buck (=greed) ;)

Your values aren't even correct though, didn't even have to use a custom build to get 30% more range than what you falsely complained. https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/typ...w18eQ==..EweloBhA2AWECsBmUBTAhgcwDapCARgmKA==

it's pretty fine, cheap as it is. A little more jump range wouldn't hurt but it's pretty fine as it is. Made half a billion on it smuggling and trading, before the engineers.
 

Lucifera Danzig

Lucifera Danzig
mtt9999 said:
FDEV, thanks very much about the recent buff to the internals of the Type-9 - 256 more cargo may make it a viable trader again - with one exception. The jump range will now be terrible with all this new cargo (around 10ly fully stripped - or 17ly engineered). This range is worse than a Corvette outfitted for trade. Any chance you could consider increasing the FSD of the Type-9 to a size 7?

For reference the Cutter can get 16ly / 28ly engineered.

Thoughts?
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People need to stop comparing this to the Cutter. It's not a valid comparison at all. The Cutter costs more than double the T9, and is rank locked. Of course it should be able to do more to make it worth while. There's got to be trade-offs somewhere, and the 150 ton weight reduction on the T9 already offsets the range issue some. It doesn't need any further buffing. It's a cargo hauler, and it'll do fine as it is now.
 

ebbrell

ebbrell
My t9 is over 25ly when empty. To be honest it did drop to 18.5 when fully. I wonder that it's like on beta

Having a larger fSD wouldn't do Amy harm
 
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777Driver

777Driver
PanTast said:
Can you do the Wing missions alone, Driver? I thought about trying that the next days ...

o7
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Yes, the wing multi hop delivery and fetch missions can be done solo. Last missions I did was 1200 tonnes for 20 million, completed in two trips. @ebbrell - You should be able to get well above 30LY, I am currently doing 31lys with a 45% optimal mass and no other weight reductions.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
mtt9999 said:
Excellent! That is good to know it works for the local wing missions, and that is a part of 3.0 game play I am excited for.

That being said, I'm trading at the current cg and the nearest stations with consumer tech are about 65ly away. My conda can travel 34ly with around 500 tonnes. So with your type-9 it would take 4 extra jumps per round trip (or about 4 minutes extra per load), which equates to 4.5 return trips per hour totalling 3,420 tonnes (760/13min), yet over the course of an hour my conda delivers 7 round trips totalling 3,500 tonnes (500/9min). So to say the Conda can no way outrade the type-9 might not be entirely accurate.

My point is not about short range trading.... While I agree with you that in short range (1 jump or less) the Conda cannot compete with type-9, anything above 50ly-60ly is basically a wash between the two. That to me seems like a limitation for a ship that is supposed to be the best 'dedicated' trader in the universe.
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perhaps the 150T the T9 hull lost the conda should "find" ;)
 
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