"Development Level >>"? Figuring out what all these numbers do.
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Icy unlandable planet, zero building slots but three orbital slots. I built the two space gardens and then the commercial outpost as an experiment to see if the outpost's colony economy would be affected by the two agricultural economies of the gardens.
Does renaming the station still trigger economy updates? As in without ARX (standard randomized name) and with ARX (custom name)? I just triggered a name change for my station around a gas giant, but it's a custom name, so it will take 6 days.
This "natural economy" of planets is absolutely cooked. Here's my experience with it, today.
Morel Legacy (Hyades Sector QJ-E a13-1)
Started with a commercial outpost (colony econ) orbiting an icy body.
Built a relay station (High Tech influence) orbiting the same body.
Commercial outpost changed to Industrial-Agricultural-High Tech. It's a complete mess of a market.
"StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Industrial;", "Name_Localised":"Industrial", "Proportion":1.150000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":1.000000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.450000 }
I have no Industrial or Agricultural influencing facilities in my system.
Thank you, Ian, for this thread. The information you keep updating in the original post is incredibly useful. Regarding wealth: I built 8 extraction settlements (40+ wealth) and confirm it changed the econ slider (greatly widened the white space). I did not see any change in the buy/sell price of goods.
Morel Legacy (Hyades Sector QJ-E a13-1)
Started with a commercial outpost (colony econ) orbiting an icy body.
Built a relay station (High Tech influence) orbiting the same body.
Commercial outpost changed to Industrial-Agricultural-High Tech. It's a complete mess of a market.
"StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Industrial;", "Name_Localised":"Industrial", "Proportion":1.150000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":1.000000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.450000 }
I have no Industrial or Agricultural influencing facilities in my system.
Thank you, Ian, for this thread. The information you keep updating in the original post is incredibly useful. Regarding wealth: I built 8 extraction settlements (40+ wealth) and confirm it changed the econ slider (greatly widened the white space). I did not see any change in the buy/sell price of goods.
I have a cemetery economy.Well, there goes my dream of having a hi-tech agricultural systemGot to pivot now to hi-tech industrial - no choice.
After seeing some cases i can refine my current theory of the innate economy influence:
Industrial: Comes from icy bodies, pretty certain
Refinery: Comes from rocky bodies, pretty certain
Extraction: Comes from HMCs, reasonably-ish certain
Agri: this is where it gets interesting, i saw this case and then the previous case in this thread, so im pretty sure its not because of star type, nor body type, nor atmo type (unless both CO2 and neon are valid for some reason?), nor temp, so im not sure what matches for it to be agri.... Maybe a certain amount of sulphur or carbon composition? This merits further investigation, should check the first case for bio signals, just in case theyre missing from the data.... Edit: Someone on discord confirmed no biosignals on first case, so probly not that, maybe phosphor composition? Both have more than 10%, will absolutely need more cases of innate agri influences to research this further.
Tourism: WW and EWLs? Not much data for these.
Service: Talked about, but need to gather some cases
High-tech: Not seen any cases of this happening innately from body influence, anyone seen any?
Industrial: Comes from icy bodies, pretty certain
Refinery: Comes from rocky bodies, pretty certain
Extraction: Comes from HMCs, reasonably-ish certain
Agri: this is where it gets interesting, i saw this case and then the previous case in this thread, so im pretty sure its not because of star type, nor body type, nor atmo type (unless both CO2 and neon are valid for some reason?), nor temp, so im not sure what matches for it to be agri.... Maybe a certain amount of sulphur or carbon composition? This merits further investigation, should check the first case for bio signals, just in case theyre missing from the data.... Edit: Someone on discord confirmed no biosignals on first case, so probly not that, maybe phosphor composition? Both have more than 10%, will absolutely need more cases of innate agri influences to research this further.
Tourism: WW and EWLs? Not much data for these.
Service: Talked about, but need to gather some cases
High-tech: Not seen any cases of this happening innately from body influence, anyone seen any?
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I checked EDSM for the planetary composition of your system. All ice planets are landable and most have no atmospheres. But planets 1,2 & 9 have thin neon atmospheres and the 2nd is thin neon rich.
Is your commercial outpost orbiting planets 1, 2 or 9 because it's possible the neon atmosphere is responsible for the agricultural influence (Icy bodies by themselves seem to give industrial).
source: https://www.edsm.net/en/system/bodies/id/42212/name/Hyades+Sector+QJ-E+a13-1
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We got to look at examples of icy bodies with Co2, Neon, Argon , Methane etc atmospheres to see which gas qualifies for agri influence.
Maybe all qualify or maybe just a specific few.
Metal-rich seem to be HMC as well.
That "rocky" and "HMC" differ is interesting since "rocky" is basically "HMC, but a moon of something else"
Could it be "any atmosphere" = "Agri"? And then it combines with any other influence from the planet type...
...which explains why we see some Tourism/Agri combination reports for these.
That still leaves AW (probably more tourism?), Rocky Ice, and the various types of gas giant where there unsurprisingly have been a lot fewer reports anyway.
It orbits 9, which has the Neon (100%) atmo.
I still have a few skeletons in the closet...can I store them with you? I'd even take a Cutter load of biowaste off your hands that I need for a mission...I have a cemetery economy.
Thank you, that makes icy bodies with neon a strong candidate for agri influence since we already have two cases (including yours). Maybe a third case is needed just to be sure....
Idk, other case had thin CO2 atmo, if it was any atmo we would be seeing agri influences everywhere, thin atmos are pretty common, and thick atmos are at every nonlandable, so im pretty sure its not those. Im actually really thinking its 10% phosphorite soil composition minimum? Or maybe some other composition combo.
My first landable moon has a thin argon atmosphere. If it gives agri influence to the commercial outpost I'll be building then I'd say that's a strong sign that any atmosphere on an icy moon gives agri influence.
Possible, we got 2 confirmed cases so far. Here are the star types and planet atmospheres & phodporu :
Hyades Sector QJ-E a13-1 / T (Brown dwarf) Star : Neon : 12.3% phosphorus
Col 285 Sector SD-T d3-59 / F (White) Star (Scoopable): Co2 : Phosphorus 10.1%
Only 2 confirmed cases, sorry.
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Just gathered this case orbiting seemingly this planet (Since spansh still reports colony ship on it,wouldn't mind anyone that can actually play rn to confirm) rocky,Thin ammonia atmo, F White star. Still tracks with my 10% phosphorous composition theory too.
Probably isn't a matter of atmo composition, way too many seem to be valid. Similar for stars, i dont see thematically why brown dwarfs would be good for agriculture, youd ideally want something warm.
Without those factors, soil composition is the only thing i can think of left, and phosphorous is a pretty important plant nutrient.
Probably isn't a matter of atmo composition, way too many seem to be valid. Similar for stars, i dont see thematically why brown dwarfs would be good for agriculture, youd ideally want something warm.
Without those factors, soil composition is the only thing i can think of left, and phosphorous is a pretty important plant nutrient.
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Well, you know, that Orbis is the primaey. So, kind of, have to complete it if I want to proceed with more claims in my local area. But likely to hold off on building anything else until we get more clarification on this and/or how to potentially avoid it… no point in building an agricultural economy (with potentially some high tech mixed in, though not sure if I will put anything secondary besides security stuff in) when the game would just arbitrarily slap me with tourism, industrial or whatever.
… and I could do a test run with my local ammonia world but A, the C star is 148k ls away so it pretty much wants me to use a carrier and B, I was not planning on any landable stations around said ammonia world while C, it is not a test system.