Did Fdev just let slip the origin of Thargoids?

Louis Calvert

Louis Calvert
Latest newseltter (#201):

"The Sovereignty (CMDRs Bweir, DjTruthsayer, Gilsoymasi, Klumpozyte, Carrumba, Paradox117, Killikhivemind, Macedk, Water_Cat1, MarcoPolo, Malic and Purrcat) were the first group to take down the newest visitor to our galaxy. ..."

Option a) This is just a simple typo.
Option b) Fdev accidentally just revealed the Thargoids are extra-galactic in origin.

Also, confirms that the Pilots Federation is responsible for the names:

"The Thargoid ship has been classified as a ‘Basilisk’ Interceptor by the Pilots Federation."
 

Magichp

Magichp
I would take option C) a Meta statement, as in they were not ingame before, so not in our galaxy. After all, the borders of the galaxy are the borders of the game.

But it doesn't rule any other option out, it could still be a or b.
 

Louis Calvert

Louis Calvert
No (well yes, in the future, because why not, but not for a long time), but that doesn't mean the Thargoids can't be extra-galactic. One of the main theories for the Thargoid origins from right back in the old days of Elite was that the Thargoids were from outside our galaxy. It's just never been confirmed one way or the other.
 

EuleDiamant

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Moribus said:
No (well yes, in the future, because why not, but not for a long time), but that doesn't mean the Thargoids can't be extra-galactic. One of the main theories for the Thargoid origins from right back in the old days of Elite was that the Thargoids were from outside our galaxy. It's just never been confirmed one way or the other.
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Thats my thinking as well... their origin isnt in "our" galaxy...
 
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LuxAeterna

LuxAeterna
I don't see why they couldn't be extra-galactic as well. Each galaxy is theorized to have it's own individual properties.

The fact that their ships seem to be organic in composition and design could support the claims. Another indicator is the unrestricted hyperspace mechanics; we have to run through hyperspace in a linear path while it seems the Thargoids can move in any direction while in hyperspace since they're able to interdict our vessels.

There is no visual proof that they can move in any direction in hyperspace and my theory is loosely based on the current interdiction mechanics.
 

CMDR CJ Fortuna

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Funnily enough I always wondered about that Barnacle / Thargoid symbol and one of the distant galaxies visible from the Galaxy Map. Probably a coincidence but it kind of fits - even the little notchy bits.

I've illustrated roughly what I mean here (No idea how to embed - sorry):
https://ibb.co/f7tQDR
 

Louis Calvert

Louis Calvert
I agree! here's one I did a while back too :) At the time I didn't think it was really a thing, I just wanted to see if it fit (back then I was a fan of the theory that the Thargoids were the Guardian AI evolved after the war, but I've since decided that's unlikely!).

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...s-Compendium?p=6010944&viewfull=1#post6010944

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Anubite

Anubite
I thought this was already known? I thought it was also thus presumed they came over on Raxxla (my guess a witchspace wormhole network via intergalactic plasma filaments) from the Magellanic clouds. Raxxla might exist somewhere already (perhaps BLoop or FRift, but I'd bank on near SagA* and it might be a one-way trip for non-Guardian-level tech).

BTW all, the Magellanic clouds are actually represented in 3D in the GalMap. Can't wait to get my name on stars over there.

Also, the symbols for Klaxians and Oresians, both in looks and scale, are similar to the Magellanic clouds. The original 'goids probably spread to the LMC, before having a Fed/Empire like split, or Oresians were pushed into the SMC before having nowhere to go but the Milky Way and were still hunted down.
 
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Louis Calvert

Louis Calvert
There's a lot of stuff in your comment that's news to me! "I thought this was already known? I thought it was also thus presumed they came over on Raxxla"?!

I'm not aware that Klaxians and Oresrians are confirmed in-game at all (as in, you say "the symbols for Klaxians and Oresians" as though they're in-game??)

Would you mind linking your sources for it all, I like to keep up to date on Thargoid Lore and there's obviously some stuff I've missed! Thanks :)
 

Anubite

Anubite
@moribus - Will try.

Moribus said:
back then I was a fan of the theory that the Thargoids were the Guardian AI evolved after the war, but I've since decided that's unlikely!).
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To quickly add more fuel to that conspiracy, maybe the AI "possessed" the already augmented Thargoids or their hive-mind as a means to having muscle to save itself. Thargoids could have Guardian ad-hoc networking installed that would have made "porting" itself next to no issue.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Moribus said:
I agree! here's one I did a while back too :) At the time I didn't think it was really a thing, I just wanted to see if it fit (back then I was a fan of the theory that the Thargoids were the Guardian AI evolved after the war, but I've since decided that's unlikely!).

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...s-Compendium?p=6010944&viewfull=1#post6010944

https://i.imgur.com/G3cjgDN.jpg
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For what it's worth, MB had a post a while back which I'm paraphrasing severely, that there wouldn't be "other galaxies" in the game/there aren't other galaxies in the game. Doesn't mean it can't be an origin for the Thargoids for sure, but I think having them originate "outside our galaxy" would be a bit of a cop out, for various reasons I'll skip out for now.

Personally, I just read it as a bit of writing flair. It's certainly not the first time left-hand/right-hand writing would seem to suggest something that isn't the case.
 

MrFuddyDuddy

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Moribus said:
No (well yes, in the future, because why not, but not for a long time), but that doesn't mean the Thargoids can't be extra-galactic. One of the main theories for the Thargoid origins from right back in the old days of Elite was that the Thargoids were from outside our galaxy. It's just never been confirmed one way or the other.
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Its plausable, they could have originated from one of the near by miniature galaxies.

Taken from the wiki↓↓↓

There are 57 small galaxies confirmed to be within 420 kiloparsecs (1.4 million light-years) of the Milky Way, but not all of them are necessarily in orbit, and some may themselves be in orbit of other satellite galaxies. The only ones visible to the naked eye are the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds.

1.4 million light years is one hell of a trip to travel in witch space though. There are what appear to be thargoid mega structures on some planets, however they seem dormant and abandoned albeit for the scavengers you'll find at these sites. Could be the thargoids have set up shop someplace outside out galaxy. They could just be in one of the many forbidden sectors of space in our own galaxy who knows for certain.
 

Lightspeed

Lightspeed
Andromeda is not in the Gal Map, but can be seen in the sky ..... perhaps it will enter the game at the end ..... when we've run out of stars in this galaxy :D
 
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Jaylem

Jaylem
Was it not stated in the manual of 1984 Elite that the Thargoids where battling 4*(cant ember exactly) other sentient races in other galaxies? this would mean they have intergalactic travel?

If they can remain in witch-space they could also in theory go anywhere they like...as a theory anyway as I have no idea how witch-space works....

Unless that part was written out of the narrative and replaced with a new one (highly possible).

All theories right now, intergalactic travel would be cool, but the idea of them being in our Galaxy is much better though IMO! ;)
 

Anubite

Anubite
@ moribus - These were the symbols I saw representing the two factions. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...s-Compendium?p=5958777&viewfull=1#post5958777

About the "outside of the galaxy" thing being known, I can't source the material that would answer it succinctly. Much is in old games or The Dark Wheel, probably. I can provide a few links I can recall, but they won't vouch alone. https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/2tgrhk/elite_oldbies_tell_us_about_thargoids/ but especially http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Thargoid

I have never heard about what in Oolite was lore or fable, nor heard D. Braben speak much about it, but we can rest assured it was not "canon." However, everything in the past is not "canon" yet we have D. Wager telling us to scour old lore for clues. Oolite, for sure (idk about official Elite games), had more than one galaxy. Thargoids were from "galaxy 2," likely a.k.a. our biggest neighbor, LMC.

One of D. Wagars books mentions Raxxla may be a portal to other galaxies. Thargoids and Raxxla have a supposed connection. This series loves to mix known sci with cool fi, though; if the Thargoids came over here from the MCs, and Raxxla was a portal to other galaxies (path of least resistances using FSD-like tech from, or simply to in the case of the MCs, Sag A* and other SMBs), then the dots would truly be connected and could speak ominously for Colonia.

Presuming the Guardians/Raxxla were there, something could have lead to them being pushed or leaving to the edge of the galaxy and they may also have not been able to return (Guardian blockade/do the MCs have central black holes?).

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Edit: On Oolite lore, D. Braben did say in an AMA that Jameson wasn't really a big deal, but has "become a part of Elite lore." I think a LOT of Oolite became Elite lore, especially with how the Kickstarer rewards were designed. Here is the AMA https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comme...braben_cocreator_of_elite_creator_of/c7ociwg/ Here is the hilarious Oolite page for Jameson http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Jameson

Edit 2: Sorry, my work has been done solo, without quality notes, but with adherence to scientific method.
 
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