Dino sizes won't be fixed

[SonOfTheSun]

Quote from Bo on Reddit:

Unfortunately we are not able to change the sizes of the dinosaurs. This would cause a host of technical problems across all other dinosaurs. I can understand that this is disappointing news, but do know that the team are working on a number of additions and a series of additional content drops coming later so please do continue to give us your feedback and suggestions for future updates.

I understand that it is apparently not possible to change existing dinosaurs in size. But I would guess that people would rather have a new Giga, Spino and Indo than other new Dinosaurs added to the game (if this is planned for the future). I for my part would even pay for it, since it would be the same work as for complete new dinosaurs and I would understand it.

tl;dr I would rather want new correct models for the existing Dinos than new ones and I would pay for it.

What do you think?

 

[Flash525]

I don't remotely understand their reasoning for not being able to change the scale. In any case, if they could simply add new Dinosaurs, what's stopping them from using the new models to simply overwrite the old models? If they'd royally got one of the existing models wrong, they'd be able to update it with a fixed model, so what's the difference here?

I can't help but ponder whether Universal have simply said "we want the Rex to be the biggest gal in the game, so undersize everything else and leave it at that". It's the only conclusion that makes any sense to me, though I don't get why (if this is the case) Frontier can't just come out and say that.

 

[SonOfTheSun]

Yes could be. Trevorrow created a ridiculous hype around Rexy which is now transfered to everything in the franchise. But for now I am assuming that Frontier isn't lying to us and that they decided to rather create completely new Dinos instead of remaking old ones for the sake of correct sizing.
Therefore I am telling them that I would pay money for both, because I aknowledge the work behind it would roughly be the same. Maybe they will consider it if enough people agree.

 

[jsi7iv]

When I read that, apart from being a little crest fallen, I was reminded by all the bugs related to animations we currently see in the game. I wonder if by changing the size of these two dino's they may end up breaking all their dino to spino/giga interactions and animations. Being a software dev, I can understand that seemingly small changes to a user are not trival to a developer and can lead to expensive overhauls. Perhaps the size changes can be reconsidered for the future.

Regardless, I can't wait to see what they cook up for this already excellent game.

 

[playfuldreamer]

I don't remotely understand their reasoning for not being able to change the scale. In any case, if they could simply add new Dinosaurs, what's stopping them from using the new models to simply overwrite the old models? If they'd royally got one of the existing models wrong, they'd be able to update it with a fixed model, so what's the difference here?

I can't help but ponder whether Universal have simply said "we want the Rex to be the biggest gal in the game, so undersize everything else and leave it at that". It's the only conclusion that makes any sense to me, though I don't get why (if this is the case) Frontier can't just come out and say that.

The answer isn't that they can't, it's that they won't. This is likely because of cost/benefit considerations.

Changing the sizes of the dinosaurs likely means they have to alter the scripted animations for interaction between them since there's virtually nothing procedural about the interaction animations. It's quite possible they have to do all of this by hand and someone somewhere said it wasn't worth the time and effort to correct the mistake.

 

[SonOfTheSun]

The answer isn't that they can't, it's that they won't. This is likely because of cost/benefit considerations.

Changing the sizes of the dinosaurs likely means they have to alter the scripted animations for interaction between them since there's virtually nothing procedural about the interaction animations. It's quite possible they have to do all of this by hand and someone somewhere said it wasn't worth the time and effort to correct the mistake.

Exactly, yet they want to implement new dinosaurs. But I think, that the majority of the players would rather want the fixes first. And as I said, I would pay for that because I know that they have to do it from scratch (except for sounds maybe).

 

[Flash525]

The answer isn't that they can't, it's that they won't. This is likely because of cost/benefit considerations.

Changing the sizes of the dinosaurs likely means they have to alter the scripted animations for interaction between them since there's virtually nothing procedural about the interaction animations. It's quite possible they have to do all of this by hand and someone somewhere said it wasn't worth the time and effort to correct the mistake.

There's nothing from stopping them doing what's posted above though; make new models of the under/oversized Dinosaurs and simply replace them. It's surely easier to add/remove than edit.

 

[Gondrasia]

I hope the size issue will be something that Frontier/Universal will change their minds over eventually. After all, since Dr. Wu made Velociraptor, Tyrannosaurus rex and Mosasaurus larger than their historical ancestors in order to make them more impressive to visitors; then why not allow players to make certain other species larger as well?

 

[Parritron]

A very disappointing news. It is a very massive request that will not be answered.

I do not understand the difference between making a dinosaur of one size or another and then changing the size can cause errors. If it is about readjusting textures and animations in all the other dinosaurs it is done and that's it. If there are animations between medium-sized dinosaurs while they fight that are broken and should be corrected anyway. Similarly, the way to hunt hadrosaurids by medium-sized carnivores is also broken. Fighting and hunting animations must be corrected, with or without readjusting the Spino and Giga sizes.

I can understand that this is not done now but rule out this problem so first ... Well, it seems fatal to me. If they decide to change their minds for the future, I will applaud Frontier but for now I have been disappointed with this issue.

 

[Gdain]

Well we could just pretend that they were genetically modified to be smaller because they were considered too dangerous in their previous state. The game does seem to take place some time before Fallen Kingdom so maybe they learned their lesson with say the size of the Spino. It’s just too big and dangerous to contain. The same could be said with Giga test runs perhaps. Of course they do have an Indominous who’s like a giant serial killer. And with Indoraptor and Velociraptor size doesn’t matter there with ferocity. Idk kinda grasping at straws to make sense of it all.

 

[DragonNTiger]

We'll this is a massive disappointment... first they can't get the sizes of the animals right, now they say they aren't going to fix them... as a dinosaur fan with a thing for accuracy this hurts... a lot...

 

[tagdab1738]

That is something that doesn't stick up. They should really look into that because that does not make sense to me.

 

[Wallec]

How many dinos are we talking about here? The only dino size gripes I have is with the Spino primarily, and then theres the Giga I guess. If I'd be the nitpicking type, I could probably find more. But right now, the size of the Spino feels lore-breaking, and should be considered a priority.

 

[SonOfTheSun]

Nothing will be fixed regarding the size of the current Dinosaurs.

 

[Kikke]

They can fix it, it is difficult but it is possible, the problem is that they are too lazy to fix their mistake, they had to respect the sizes when the game was in development, and now that they saw that it's a lot of work if they fix it, they better leave it like this, it's a shame they do that, and more for fans of the franchise, but unfortunately we have to get used to it

 

[Grimnir]

Quote from Bo on Reddit:


I understand that it is apparently not possible to change existing dinosaurs in size. But I would guess that people would rather have a new Giga, Spino and Indo than other new Dinosaurs added to the game (if this is planned for the future). I for my part would even pay for it, since it would be the same work as for complete new dinosaurs and I would understand it.

tl;dr I would rather want new correct models for the existing Dinos than new ones and I would pay for it.

What do you think?

Disgusting. They cite some bull like this.

As you might understand, from the outset working in partnership with Universal and the Jurassic franchise, we’ve always strived to have the most authentic Jurassic dinosaurs possible. We were very fortunate to be able to use official source materials as guidance for our models and make sure the dinosaurs fairly represent their movie equals but we understand that those movie models might not always be accurate to their real-life sizes.

Giganotosaurus was never in the franchose before and its as far from authentic as it can possibly be. You did not use official source material for guidance on your models and they do not represent movie equals. This is a lie.

Jurassic Park's stats on the 3 "largest" carnivores in JWE:

Giganotosaurus: 4.9-6.1 meters tall / 12.2-13.9 meters long
Tyrannosaurus Rex: 4 meters tall / 12.5 meters long
Spinosaurus: 6 meters tall / 13.3-15 meters long

So sorry Bo, i expected more from Frontier. Consider a lost future customer. If you decide to lie to the community you are nothing better than the other studios. Its a crock of bull and they expect us to accept such a false reason.

Disgusting resolution to a even more abhorrent disgusting problem.

 

[Dorian1334]

They can fix it, it is difficult but it is possible, the problem is that they are too lazy to fix their mistake, they had to respect the sizes when the game was in development, and even then they did not even try to do it

Thing is, the "movie canon is law" thing kinda works for the Spino, but the Giga hasn't been in any JP film, ever. I wonder how they rationalize that one?

 

[Grimnir]

Just asked Steam for a refund on the basis of false advertising. Hopefully it goes through. Frontier has really done well now, by releasing crap, and saying they wont fix it.

 

[SonOfTheSun]

Yes yes movie canon law.

 

[13last]

Man first they say they cant change dino sizes because of (place sugarcoat reason here), it literally just takes dev time away from other stuff and they wont gain profit from doing so. Second they wont change Isla Nublar size and they are "taking into consideration for the future", basically meaning well have to wait a good 6 months to a year for a bigger map. Then we can't have mods because of "actively trying to work on the game ", its basically Universal saying no. Whats the point of even playing this content cut game, if you guys enjoy looking at pretty things that's fine but this game is a fail on so many fronts. I have 34 hours into it, enjoyed it wont lie but Frontier is greedy and only focuses on money and not player feedback, heck they said they were going to make a dino game anyway but Universal approached them and offered them quite a good chunk of money so of course they'll accept that to give us this half finished game. I'm done, just gonna wait for Prehistoric Kingdom to come out, even their outdated demo has better terrain tools.