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DA added extra books to the trilogy one of which went very well for Arthur so another was added to try and knit every loose end together (and probably stop people asking for more sequels) in that we find out why the bowl of petunias “last” thoughts were ‘Oh no not again!’ Personally I hated that book and find it upsetting that I can remember it.

Okay, this is getting OT and very nerdy, but I don't care.

I had to look it up, because it has been too long since I have read the later books. The Agrajag story wrap up is in the third one, which theoretically makes it part of the original trilogy ;). But I agree, a large part of the third book is not up to the standard of the first two, and I think there is a reason for it (see below).

I read the fourth and fifth book a long time ago and found them... much less entertaining than the first two. Recently I learned that "someone" has written a book in 2009 that is now counted the sixth book of the trilogy because DA's wife approved it, and here are also four more radio play series that were published after DA's death. Personally, I rarely like posthumous work of authors being finished by other people after their death. It rarely ends up being good.

In my opinion, the original radio plays (two series consisting of six plays each) are the best incarnation of the guide; I have listened to them many, many times with childish joy. After the second one, the books deviate quite a bit from the original story lines, and while the first two books pretty much follow the line of the first radio series (the first six radio plays) truthfully, only bits and bobs from the original radio play make it into the later books, and the second series' story line is pretty much abandoned in the books.

And let's not talk about the movie. It was terrible.
 
But I agree, a large part of the third book is not up to the standard of the first two, and I think there is a reason for it (see below).

I read the fourth and fifth book a long time ago and found them... much less entertaining than the first two.

In my opinion, the original radio plays (two series consisting of six plays each) are the best incarnation of the guide; I have listened to them many, many times with childish joy. After the second one, the books deviate quite a bit from the original story lines, and while the first two books pretty much follow the line of the first radio series (the first six radio plays) truthfully, only bits and bobs from the original radio play make it into the later books, and the second series' story line is pretty much abandoned in the books.

And let's not talk about the movie. It was terrible.
This is a wildly unpopular opinion, but to my mind there are two key differences beyond the "second book." I'm using quotes here because this material is in several of the non-book formats - which brings me neatly to the point.

The first two books were written off the back of a radio script. This brings two things to the party.
1. It had to fit in radio eps, and whilst famously several of them overran the window and were sometimes edited ten minutes before they went out, that did impose the need to keep it tight and to have an element of radio drama.
2. Perkins is all over the way the radio element of it works and that will have been a huge source of ideas before Adams sat down to turn it into a novel. And Lloyd contributes heavily to WRITING in the first two series - sometimes with credit, sometimes not. So those are two creative gods that had plenty of input to the original scripts and a lot of the dialogue appears verbatim in the first book. When you listen to Fit The First now you can absolutely hear which throwaway gags in the dialogue are Lloyds. (Then again, you can read or watch Dr Who and the Giant Robot and you can hear which gags the script "editor" added ;) )

Neither of those points and none of those people were directly there in the process for the third book (although I think some as yet unused bits are thrown in there and he was still collaborating with Lloyd on many things)

The fourth book is an outright attempt, by his own admission, to write a "proper novel" and I personally quite like it, but by gum it's obviously someone's first novel.

Feel free to DM me about the later "someones"...
 
Agreed. The stuff beyond the second book feels very different. I have not listened to the later fits, but the first two, the original radio series', are the just best. Period :). I really enjoyed AD's other works; both Dirk Gently novels were great (the TV series was terrible), and I really enjoyed "Last Chance to see". The fourth and fifth guide though... they are weird.
 
Agreed. The stuff beyond the second book feels very different. I have not listened to the later fits, but the first two, the original radio series', are the just best. Period :). I really enjoyed AD's other works; both Dirk Gently novels were great (the TV series was terrible), a...

I take it you mean the American nonsense (which was puerile) - the BBC's Dirk Gently was really really good but canned after season one due to "A BBC spokesman stated that as a result of the cuts initiated by the "Delivering Quality First" process, BBC Four is concentrating funds on purchasing imported shows".
 
I take it you mean the American nonsense (which was puerile) - the BBC's Dirk Gently was really really good but canned after season one due to "A BBC spokesman stated that as a result of the cuts initiated by the "Delivering Quality First" process, BBC Four is concentrating funds on purchasing imported shows".
Yeah I meant the BBC America version from 2016. I watched the first 15 minutes, and it was so bad and so far removed from the source material I actually got angry that this had been greenlit in the first place ;). It was really, really terrible. I was not aware there was an earlier BBC adaption, never seen that.
 
Imagine watching this for nearly seven years and you can judge my state of mind.

the thing is though, is even if pp was updated and completed... it's about 6 years too late to make a difference to the game. the players left playing pp won't be able to share the experience of a functioning pp with enough players to make it fun. it would be a shallow victory that would probably make you feel worse than never getting it because you would be able to know exactly what everyone missed out on by this not being done earlier.
 
the thing is though, is even if pp was updated and completed... it's about 6 years too late to make a difference to the game. the players left playing pp won't be able to share the experience of a functioning pp with enough players to make it fun. it would be a shallow victory that would probably make you feel worse than never getting it because you would be able to know exactly what everyone missed out on by this not being done earlier.
This is why I think its going to be BGS led and highly decentralised- so in effect each persons experience is unique but independent (unlike now where even one out of place move wrecks it all).

And...well.....sometimes having closure is a good thing. Think of all those memes I won't have to do :D
 
.... I was not aware there was an earlier BBC adaption, never seen that.

You might find a bit of enjoyment regarding that here:


I see Amazon US has them:



I have to admit they are amongst my favourite TV programs (Stephen Mangan was perfect as Dirk) - and they are true to Adams' humour and not at all zany stupid like the US travesty where it seems everything needs shoot-outs, car chases, etc.

I must have weird tastes though as a lot of my favourite BBC productions only got one series - Zen for example was one of the very best cop shows ever and got canned after 3 episodes even though there are 11 source novels.
 
You might find a bit of enjoyment regarding that here:

thanks, I will bookmark that for later.
I see Amazon US has them:

Sadly, that does not help me, the channel that has it isn't offered here. Amazon sells a UK import DVD of the first series here though, I might just buy that.
I must have weird tastes though as a lot of my favourite BBC productions only got one series - Zen for example was one of the very best cop shows ever and got canned after 3 episodes even though there are 11 source novels.
Most TV shows are kept alive way longer than they should be. I really liked "Life on Mars", the premise was great, the characters too, and it was clear from the get go that there would be two series, and that's it. The sequel, "Ashes to Ashes" was terrible, because it was just riding the coat tails of the first show, and not in a good way. I read rumors there is a third series being planned... probably not a good idea 16 years later. It never is.
 
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