Discovery Scanner - 15/08/2022

Hi Factabulous,

What Sally has posted is correct. When the option to launch in 4.0 is made available to all PC players, instancing will be separate between 3.8 and 4.0 (as it has always been) AND separate between Horizons and Odyssey on 4.0. There's no final state to confirm in situations like this which are always open to re-evaluation. If the situation changes, we'll make an announcement to that effect.
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Took a You can add me to the list :) Just as the most recent example.

I was trying to get Guardian Relics on Friday and when I was in Odyssey I could only actually shoot 1 out of 4 relics at a site out of the housing, every time I logged in. I had to swap to Horizons in order to be able to collect them all.
My issue in the swap to Horizons was:

Took a mission to scan a wreckage. Landed close to the wreck. Really close. In fact it was as if I'd landed inside it.

Disembarked.

Still inside the wreckage.

Ran a little way away.

Turned and both the wreckage and my ship had disappeared despite showing up on my suit HUD.

Relogged - in Oddy - but this time they had both completely gone.

It was the restart in Horizons that saved me and my raising an issue with Support.
 
Nope, I recall it was already explained that the difference in age rating between Horizons (PEGI 7) and Odyssey (PEGI 16) meant they'd never instance.
Killing people in ships and trading drugs is fine for kids - but not killing people outside of ships. And if they're an NPC they might even swear!
I would point out mildly non PEGI 7 language in some of the debris logs though too- can EDH guys see this word based scandal?

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Hello there!

First of all, thankyou to feature myself into this discovery scanner, I'm honored!
But I have to ask you to change something : I was not alone to discover this, my friend and teammate Nicou was with me when WE discovered the new guardian relic!
Can you update the post with his name?

Thank you for all the things you have done! That's amazing! o7
 
Hi Factabulous,

What Sally has posted is correct. When the option to launch in 4.0 is made available to all PC players, instancing will be separate between 3.8 and 4.0 (as it has always been) AND separate between Horizons and Odyssey on 4.0. There's no final state to confirm in situations like this which are always open to re-evaluation. If the situation changes, we'll make an announcement to that effect.
Worst solution we could expect. But thanks for confirmation! Morning never brings good news :(
 

sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
You can add me to the list :) Just as the most recent example.

I was trying to get Guardian Relics on Friday and when I was in Odyssey I could only actually shoot 1 out of 4 relics at a site out of the housing, every time I logged in. I had to swap to Horizons in order to be able to collect them all.
Added to my report! Thank you o7
 
My mind reading skills are way off this morning, Terekhov, is there anything I can help with?
That was referring to Bruce's clarification - 3 different divisons in PC instancing will make life even harder for Fuel Rats.

I could still do with any info, hope, about the status of the very longstanding navlock issues https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/47611

(oh and any spare Snickers that you might have on your person) :)

But seriously I expect that the navlock drop issue (unless fixed in a post U13 patch) will be carried into the 4.0 Hrz client as well. The issue does cause us significant issues in the Odyverse. As the 4.0 client is likely do see a significant swing of players to the 4.0 codebase those issues will impact us more.

I can confirm that the issue still exists un U13. I'd go so far as to say that the bug is within the list of actions undertaken when a team is formed, with beacon pre-lit, and the parties already in the same system. Turning beacon off on after the issue rears it's head fixes it, so "beacon on" code contains something the "add to team" code does not.
 
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sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
Hello there!

First of all, thankyou to feature myself into this discovery scanner, I'm honored!
But I have to ask you to change something : I was not alone to discover this, my friend and teammate Nicou was with me when WE discovered the new guardian relic!
Can you update the post with his name?

Thank you for all the things you have done! That's amazing! o7
Done! Big congrats to you both o7
 
Hey Bruce and @sallymorganmoore . Just some feedback from myself on the Horizons and Odyssey instancing. I think most of the playerbase have been expecting 4.0 to allow this to some extent and re-unite the playerbase after the original split with Odyssey. So this is kinda dissapointing news. If there are some major techincal reasons why this isnt possible fair enough. But if there is a chance that it can be done and there is still scope to re-evaluate I would really suggest looking into this. Brining Horizons and Odyssey players back together, even to some extent really would be a very awesome thing and im sure the community would be extremely happy to have this!
Agreed.

It's also a big problem for CQC - it's become much harder for people "not in the know" to find a match on PC since the Odyssey release because of the requirement to match clients, and if this splits PC into three separate groups there as well it's just going to get even worse. At least in the main game if you don't instance with someone you've never met before, you just carry on doing your own thing; in CQC that's the difference between getting a match and watching it search for one.
 

sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
That was referring to Bruce's clarification - 3 different divisons in PC instancing will make life even harder for Fuel Rats.

I could still do with any info, hope, about the status of the very longstanding navlock issues https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/47611

(oh and any spare Snickers that you might have on your person) :)

But seriously I expect that the navlock drop issue (unless fixed in a post U13 patch) will be carried into the 4.0 Hrz client as well. The issue does cause us significant issues in the Odyverse. As the 4.0 client is likely do see a significant swing of players to the 4.0 codebase those issues will impact us more.

I can confirm that the issue still exists un U13. I'd go so far as to say that the bug is within the list of actions undertaken when a team is formed, with beacon pre-lit, and the parties already in the same system. Toffline beacon off on after the issue reard it's head fixes it, so "beacon on" code contains something the "add to team" code does not.
I'm hazy after last week but I'm very very sure I responded to you with this still being very much up there in investigations. I won't let it slip o7 As I say in today's post, I just need a bit more time o7
 
So we going to have another option on the launcher then?
  • Odyssey
  • Horizons 4.0
  • Horizons 3.8
  • Elite Dangerous (1.5)
  • Arena.
So how much more disk space is needed for (4.0) and will there be an option to uninstall the version of Horizons you don't need/want?
(I only ask because I have three elite clients on my machine (Fdev, Steam and Epic) and that will add up).

Are there any plans to allow Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey players to instance in Space or CQC?
 

sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
So we going to have another option on the launcher then?
  • Odyssey
  • Horizons 4.0
  • Horizons 3.8
  • Elite Dangerous (1.5)
  • Arena.
So how much more disk space is needed for (4.0) and will there be an option to uninstall the version of Horizons you don't need/want?
(I only ask because I have three elite clients on my machine (Fdev, Steam and Epic) and that will add up).

Are there any plans to allow Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey players to instance in Space or CQC?
With lots and lots of questions and concerns around this appearing in the comments here, I'd much rather we had a separate thread which was all about this rather than it being planted into the Discovery Scanner chat.
Leave it with me o7
 

sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
Fix the bugs. Start with the bugs introduced by every damn update and then tackle the Issue Tracker from #1 to whatever the last bug is nowadays. No more PR bull, or at the least have the common courtesy to pull the plug on the life support.
Frop...where did this come from suddenly?

We are tackling the bugs in the most efficient way possible in line with pushing ahead with our plans for better player experiences in game, in light of the previous Azimuth Saga and now continuing with narrative experiences with Aftermath.

Your direction to "Fix the Bugs. Tackle the Issue Tracker" is an exceptionally broad command which just isn't something that simple. We know there are issues, we know and absolutely understand the frustration and we're trying to be as communicative as possible to reassure you that we are collectively doing all we can to give you all what you deserve. There is no finger snap approach so I hope that clears up your request on us there.

The game is very much not on life support and I don't really mind who reads my tone on that standpoint here either.
We have life very much left and are hopefully proving that it's there, it's re-emerging and we're really putting our shoulders into it.
 
I hope that it will be changed soon, because it seems like it will only further divide the player base and will make things even more hectic.
The division between Ody and Hor was a big problem on many CGs, where people on chat often tried to play together just to find out that they are playing different versions of the game.
Multiple times I wanted to wing up with someone just to find out they don't have Ody.

Not sure if I'll have to stop playing Ody, which I like, to see more players as Hor 4.0 seems like the best middle ground that has most of the Ody stuff but is available for all the players.
 
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