Powerplay Faction: Aisling Duval Discussion about the merits of HIP 105391 on Aisling Duval Discord

If I were to rejoin powerplay (having been an AD pledge for ~30 weeks), but wanted get involved with a group this time, could you give me a rundown of the big groups in AD? I've heard of the AA (PvP focused), and the PI (lore-focused), but who are the PL and the Black Hand? And what's up with the Black Hand having a bad rap? I'm reading some negative vibes between the Black Hand and the rest of AD. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. Also, who organises our preps/forts? Does AD have BGS-focus groups?

PI, AA and BH have BGS, AA is pp focused, the BH is pp focused as well. the general contention between these two is on whether to fortify more systems or to scrap. BH prefered to have scrap a long while ago. AA had said to scrap but had pushed back. there's also the 5C which caused drama. accusations were thrown back and forth.

A lot of the problems stems from the lack of accountability and proof on both sides. The best way, i think to deal with it is with more open discussion of the problems within the aisling community. it's why i support the discord.
 
From reading some of the messages in other Power Play communities, it seems reluctance to share even the most basic information is quite widespread.

Presumably the necessary competitiveness has spilt over into a general mutual hostility and suspicion.

We're all supposed to be playing the same game here people.

It's in the interests of every faction that the others thrive or there won't be a lot of point in having the Power Play at all.

Equally, it's in everyone's interest that as many people know how to play, whatever faction they ultimately decide to join.
 
We need someone from the Prismatic Imperium to let us know that they are on the case and will protect Cubeo.

I have joined them today, I don't mind helping out in my FDL one night a week as a reserve, but like to do a fair bit of trading in my Anaconda most of the time.

I am sure PI can work up good defense for Cubeo.
 
There are tons of images of members of Black Hand undermining our systems. Proof is not a problem here.
That's not what I meant. Remember undermining isn't neccessarily bad. it's a tactic every community power uses. What is of the debate is the narrative and context that followed.

they haven't been undermining for near two weeks i think.
Talking specifically: I've recently heard accusations that a member of the black hand undermining last cycle(cycle 45) and no proof was given on the contrary that anyone was willing to share. (i had later learnt it was just a screenshot of a a member in a control system from the galaxy map. :/).
 
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It is circumstantial at best. Correlation without causation. Without more information, We know that we can't look at what occurs in open play alone. There's a huge debate over the affect of solo and private group players on powerplay and the BGS. I'm not saying you shouldn't go and look for more proof but we shouldn't ignore the bulk of issues that could explain any correlation and are beyond our control.

now here's another point i've come to learn about
I've done the calculations myself which you can view on my spreadsheet to check my date and an person or group would have to undermine 22-23 of the furthest or highest profit systems to force us into turmoil.

Now we don't fortify every system every cycle. we tend to leave around 7 systems unfortified per cycle. sometimes more, sometimes less. They tend to be the weakest systems but sometimes we slip. In the case i tested where the 7 systems that aren't fortified were our weakest systems It would take at least 11 specific systems to be undermined to force us into turmoil.

I'd like to introduce a new concept, let's call it impractimining.

The act of impractically undermining to no eventual effect.

If this one person was really undermining, there'd need to be a lot more undermining to actually force us into turmoil. One of the things the black hand is known for is their ability to undermine effectively towards an end result, Not impractimine, mind you, undermine.

If a member of the black hand was really attempting to undermine, it would take an incredible about of effort to get it down that it would be impractical. Because it is highly impractical, and we know that members of the black hand don't engage in impractimining, (unless they do then they're not doing anything because it's still impractical), then they probably are not be engaged in an act of undermining.
 
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Oh, your effect really wasn't impractical at all. We lost, how many, 7 our best systems?

By the way, yeah, you're probably right with your last post.
 
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Thank you ^^

but please.. we can't entirely lay the blame for losing 7 of the best systems at the feet of the black hand. We need to talk about the 5C and a few other various factors like solo/private players and aisling's pp health. I don't think i'm prepared to do so in this thread as I'm currently prioritizing the official launch of the aisling duval discord.

I'll leave this as the last post from me here.
 
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If a member of the black hand was really attempting to undermine, it would take an incredible about of effort to get it down that it would be impractical. Because it is highly impractical, and we know that members of the black hand don't engage in impractimining, (unless they do then they're not doing anything because it's still impractical), then they probably are not be engaged in an act of undermining.

No. Because like all things Powerplay, nothing is certain until the cycle tick. There is no guarantee that either undermining or fortification will be successful. Undermining wingmates may be called away by RL concerns, or needed elsewhere more urgently. A change in fortification activity can happen, unexpected/unannounced. Because of factors like these, a member of the Black Hand could still easily appear to be engaged in what you call impractimining, even though he didn't want to be.

It is circumstantial at best. Correlation without causation.
 
Thank you ^^

but please.. we can't entirely lay the blame for losing 7 of the best systems at the feet of the black hand. We need to talk about the 5C and a few other various factors like solo/private players and aisling's pp health. I don't think i'm prepared to do so in this thread as I'm currently prioritizing the official launch of the aisling duval discord.

I'll leave this as the last post from me here.

Well, if there were so many factors like 5C and solo players, then it probably wasn't very tactic to undermine our systems when consensus was made.
 
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