That's where I'll be.
I thought I'd be in the main fleet, but now I think I'll be up there too. I think you are in my tz too, which would be great.
[Distant Worlds] Scouting & Exploring Coordination Tool
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I thought I'd be in the main fleet, but now I think I'll be up there too. I think you are in my tz too, which would be great.
Jon474
Banned
How best to proceed with the Survey Mission
Survey Questions:
Not sure how best to proceed with the Survey Mission.
I am looking at Pallaeni now. Does the volume of space around Pallaeni actually need surveying? is it too close to the start to make it worthwhile?
Regardless of this answer...
Should there be a pattern of surveying at all? Could it be completely random and just depend on what the Survey Ship fancies taking a look?
Do people feel it is best to survey randomly or in a pattern with the Waypoint at its centre?
Do I stay on the plane of the waypoint system or should I go out in all directions within concentric spheres of say 20LY diameter - 20LY, 40LY, 60LY, etc?
Should we just pick scoopable stars within the spheres or explore everything and just note the scoopables?
Should we act as Pathfinders and head out now...before the official start? Should we be scoping out systems along the myriad routes that the Galactic Map may throw out?
These are just initial worries? I am confused as to the scope of my mission!
Any thoughts would be gratefully received.
Kind regards
Jon
T-6E Pilot
Survey Questions:
Not sure how best to proceed with the Survey Mission.
I am looking at Pallaeni now. Does the volume of space around Pallaeni actually need surveying? is it too close to the start to make it worthwhile?
Regardless of this answer...
Should there be a pattern of surveying at all? Could it be completely random and just depend on what the Survey Ship fancies taking a look?
Do people feel it is best to survey randomly or in a pattern with the Waypoint at its centre?
Do I stay on the plane of the waypoint system or should I go out in all directions within concentric spheres of say 20LY diameter - 20LY, 40LY, 60LY, etc?
Should we just pick scoopable stars within the spheres or explore everything and just note the scoopables?
Should we act as Pathfinders and head out now...before the official start? Should we be scoping out systems along the myriad routes that the Galactic Map may throw out?
These are just initial worries? I am confused as to the scope of my mission!
Any thoughts would be gratefully received.
Kind regards
Jon
T-6E Pilot
I've just gone ahead to the Lagoon Nebula (since I won't be around for the official start) but got careless and have to come back again for repairs (not going to do the whole trip starting with 88% hull - don't fly when sleep deprived!).
Anyway, I've started scanning systems around the central POI, with a view towards getting a good view at the POI (so if it's a nebula, perhaps even a couple of 100LY away). Systems which are "interesting" have a range of different landables (icy, rocky, hmc) as well as scoopable stars and hopefully any other points to note. But to find them you just have to try all local systems. G/F/A/B/O star systems tend to be more interesting in my (limited) experience so far.
It's then up to the Prospectors to choose between these systems which ones will be prospected. The Fleet will then likely only visit systems which either have something unique (very good view) or Jumponium.
Anyway, I've started scanning systems around the central POI, with a view towards getting a good view at the POI (so if it's a nebula, perhaps even a couple of 100LY away). Systems which are "interesting" have a range of different landables (icy, rocky, hmc) as well as scoopable stars and hopefully any other points to note. But to find them you just have to try all local systems. G/F/A/B/O star systems tend to be more interesting in my (limited) experience so far.
It's then up to the Prospectors to choose between these systems which ones will be prospected. The Fleet will then likely only visit systems which either have something unique (very good view) or Jumponium.
I've also only got 1 heatsink left - either I fired one accidentally, or forgot to restock before I left. I fired the second when I got fried.88%? Positively brand new!! Fortune favours the brave
I've been looking at systems in the Fine Ring sector as a way of getting to grips with the process. I've been adding my findings to the Prospector Log, which has a lot of other data in it too. Cataloging all the materials available on each planet takes a really long time. If the main fleet is staying 2 days at a waypoint (is that true?) then we'd have 2 days to scout out some good systems, if we travel between POI at the same speed. For me, that probably means I could get pretty good material surveys on 2-4 planets before I had to move on to stay ahead of them.
I'll take another guess at the average number of landable planets, let's say 8. That's more than 2 days of prospecting with my schedule.
My point is, even with half a dozen people, we'd probably only be able to cover 2 or 4 systems in the 2-3 days we'd have. More, if the fleet is slower and spends more time at each POI. So, we might as well focus the survey efforts on finding interesting systems with landable planets close to the POI and then look for materials in those places. The surveyors would only list in Trello the systems they think are the most interesting in the area around the POI and once we'd got 20 - 30 landable planets in a few cool looking systems, we'd have more than enough.
I'll take another guess at the average number of landable planets, let's say 8. That's more than 2 days of prospecting with my schedule.
My point is, even with half a dozen people, we'd probably only be able to cover 2 or 4 systems in the 2-3 days we'd have. More, if the fleet is slower and spends more time at each POI. So, we might as well focus the survey efforts on finding interesting systems with landable planets close to the POI and then look for materials in those places. The surveyors would only list in Trello the systems they think are the most interesting in the area around the POI and once we'd got 20 - 30 landable planets in a few cool looking systems, we'd have more than enough.
Heh; I saw you pop a system up on Trello!I've also left early and gone on ahead to Lagoon Nebula to do some prospecting for the DWE alongside Micha. Still getting used to the Trello thing but it doesn't seem to bad to use.
Unfortunately this is it for me until mid-January (plane leaves in a couple of hours.. gotta get to the airport!) so have a great time guys!
And yeah, prospecting takes -ages- (damn RNG).
I think the Cartographers should tag systems they think could be interesting for the Prospectors (nice views, good range of different landables (icy, rocky, HMC), and any other interesting things). That way prospectors spend less time sorting through systems and can get on with cataloguing the materials.
Most people will want Jumponium and AFMU refills.
Take care, Commanders, and fly safe!
- Micha
(CMDR Myshka, DW#254)
(Asp Explorer "Alacritious")
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Or.. a better question is... What qualifies something as partially "Explored"?
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When you are talking about surveying the planet for prospecting... a good sample size is around 100 units taken from various regions. Another way is to take samples until you hit a Rare (that could take much longer or shorter amounts of time, and sometimes doesn't happen at all). During the Trip... I likely will not even go that high... maybe 5 to 7 rocks each at 2 or 3 locations on a planet (if they are interesting enough to land on in the first place)
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But really... a survey is not exploring the entire planet.. so what should be considered "Good Enough" to qualify for the tag "Explored"?
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Personally, if the place has had a decent sample of material, has no exceptional visual features worth checking out further or visiting later... call it done and move on. If it needs a note on planetary bodies not looked at, has a cool parking place, or a nice concentration of rare Mats... these would be the only reasons to write up anything in the first place to indicate a re-visit of that particular system.
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That does not mean it is or was left "unexplored"... just that it is possibly worth further investigation or future visits. Perhaps we could give up on that ("explored") terminology's current connotation and simplify the meaning a bit. Say... to "Planets/systems that have been visited or not".
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The idea is to "Note the unusual and non-checked... then move on!" That pretty much says the place was "Explored".
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Not to belabor the point too much... but please take a second or two to Seriously Think about this little idea: 65 Kly... X 2!
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... Just sayin'
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Jon474
Banned
Is there any merit in putting the distance to the system from the main Waypoint in the title of the card? Could be useful to show Prospectors, Tourists etc?
PALLAENI to COL SECTOR 285 D6-130 is 26.83LY.
So, the card will say...
Board: WP 00 - Pallaeni
Card: COL SECTOR 285 D6-130 (26.83LY)
Thoughts?
Kind regards
Jon
PALLAENI to COL SECTOR 285 D6-130 is 26.83LY.
So, the card will say...
Board: WP 00 - Pallaeni
Card: COL SECTOR 285 D6-130 (26.83LY)
Thoughts?
Kind regards
Jon
So far, the only real directive for scouting is to keep activities within 300 LYs of each base camp and report your findings. Other than that, I think people are free to explore as they like.
For my part, I intend to spiral outward from each basecamp in 3 dimensions to create a tight knot of systems to prospect and/or ignore. But I can imagine scenarios where groups of people coordinate efforts to each take different section of "sky" around a camp. I don't think it matters too much, so long as you make a card for a system before you go there, so no one else tries to go at the same time.
I think we're treating Pallaeni as a practice area, to help us develop procedures and expectations. But at the same time, being able to stock up on Jumponium before starting galactic crossing is a good thing.
People already seem to be spread out all over; you should manage your time as you see fit.
I certainly didn't feel a need to wait for the formal start of the expedition to get started with some data collection. The only real question you need to ask yourself is...do you want to be at the formal start of the expedition or not? I do, and I think some of us are also going to gather at Pratchett's Disc on the way out to Shapley 1.- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -
I'd considered doing additional labels along these lines, but decided that the travel time in system was more important than the travel time to get to the system. If you want to add that info to the title, or maybe in the card description would be better, that's totally reasonable.
I think that it's understood that we're briefly passing through. We only have a limited time at each waypoint before the fleet moves on. Therefore it makes sense to leave the "amount" of prospecting done on each planet to each pilot's discretion. The only thing I ask when using Trello to track things, is to have a checklist of all the landfall planets in a system, and to use that checklist to mark which planets you've spent time prospecting. If every planet has had "some" time devoted to it, then the system card can be put into the "fully explore" list. Otherwise you put it back in the Not Prospected list for a future wave to finish.
Jon474
Banned
No, that makes perfect sense. I decided against the distance flag as an idea half-way through my first pint tonight! Thanks for the suggestions. I am getting a plan of action straight in my mind.
Thanks
Jon
sup, I'm seeing good stuff in trello! tomorrow i'll drop some stuff from my thread and "steal" something too!
I'm actually posting in both threads. I'm using Trello to log what systems I've looked at coordinated with systems others have looked at, but when I prospect a world with good mats on it I am posting it into your thread so you can add it to your list. Sort of treating Trello as the survey collaboration and summary tool but then treating Akira's list as the collection of just the good worlds that we've found via the Trello tool.
It would certainly be helpful to have one combined thread though utilizing both Akira's list and the Trello tool together. As it is now it kinda feels separated and disjointed, almost like we are duplicating efforts somewhat. Just my observation though.vvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
Added a very interesting system that has a planet with Yttrium, Cadmium, vanadium, Germanium. Those planets are very handy for explorers becouse they yeld 4 boosts mats including a very rare and it's the best you can get from a single planet.
With Erimus we started a nomenclature, this planets are:
Yttrium+3
Polonium+3
Erimus has a project to make a galactig highway of these systems that goes from sol to beagle and are really important, if there could be a way to higlight those objects in Trello that would be good, and if you find I would kindly ask to dump it in my thread too.
With Erimus we started a nomenclature, this planets are:
Yttrium+3
Polonium+3
Erimus has a project to make a galactig highway of these systems that goes from sol to beagle and are really important, if there could be a way to higlight those objects in Trello that would be good, and if you find I would kindly ask to dump it in my thread too.
Trello really isn't good for storing and searching data. It's good at showing and updating state in an ongoing process, especially where there are multiple participants. Data storage, search, and manipulation are all done better in spreadsheets and databases.
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I've added 2 more labels to put on cards when scouting systems. "< 100 LYs from Base" and "100+ LYs from Base" which are both gray (or grey, if you prefer). They will not show up on the front of cards, but per earlier discussions, some info about distance that doesn't require more manual typing is probably useful. We may only want the "+100 LYs" label, leaving <100 LYs as a default, but thought I'd start with the more verbose approach.
A new video is up, with another one to follow soon. This replaces the previous video that was created during Horizons beta. The OP has been edited accordingly.
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Additionally, I've come up with a background color scheme for boards, to highlight past, present, and future waypoints. I've also added a How To... board with links to the videos, and descriptions of the color themes.
[video=youtube;N4XYT4Bpjs8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4XYT4Bpjs8[/video]
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Additionally, I've come up with a background color scheme for boards, to highlight past, present, and future waypoints. I've also added a How To... board with links to the videos, and descriptions of the color themes.