Do Girls Play Elite?

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I should give an example of how I'd reframe a feminist argument away from identity. The line goes, with either the earnings gap or the wage gap arguments, that women earn less than men and need to be compensated more. My suggestion would be to not argue that women need to earn the same as men. It would be to argue that everyone is being paid a pittance compared to their productivity, and that the root cause of this problem is the exploitative relationship between the employer and the employee. This follows further, while an employee is exploited, they must exploit their spouse to do housework and child rearing (worth $100k per year on the free market) since they don't have the time or energy to do it themselves. Their employer owns the majority of their time and most of what they create. This goes further now, with both parents working it has become necessary for more families to start relying on their children for extra income. The wealth of a few grows and raiding of treasuries all over the world continues. It's just a problem for women, even if we can make a pretty good case it hits us harder.

I'd give you full Marx for that assessment.
 
I'd give you full Marx for that assessment.

Yep. Should've been the central premise of our ideology for the last hundred years, but instead thanks to people like Gloria Steinem economics has been kept out of the equation, unless it's about breaking the glass ceiling or something. There's some noise among my lefty folk recently distinguishing between the corporate feminists who liked Hillary and the real feminists who're actually for all women who liked Bernie Sanders. I don't know how we're supposed to use that to win.
 
Yep. Should've been the central premise of our ideology for the last hundred years, but instead thanks to people like Gloria Steinem economics has been kept out of the equation, unless it's about breaking the glass ceiling or something. There's some noise among my lefty folk recently distinguishing between the corporate feminists who liked Hillary and the real feminists who're actually for all women who liked Bernie Sanders. I don't know how we're supposed to use that to win.

From my knowledge of feminism (which is poor), it seems to mean so many things to so many different people. That's not good for achieving goals. Or anything apart from putting people's backs up.

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I mustn't change anything, you're over interpreting.

"I earn 40% over the national average for a professional, but my qualifications suggest I should earn 60% more. Who's looking out for me? Should I protest? Maybe I should go on a march. "

Yes you should march, and you should be looking out for yourself like everyone marching is. Power doesn't concede without demand. You're being cheated by your employers and/or your politicians. :) You're doing that work, and someone's taking control of what you make. I suggest you find out who that is, and stop him so you can get what you deserve.

But he won't march...

And that's the trouble with these Brits :D No, seriously, there are foodbanks, wages have stagnated, education is in a desperate shambles, likewise the NHS, services are overstretched, beer prices are astronomical, their politicians are corrupt, they have the fewest holidays in Western Europe, both sides lied to them non-stop over Brexit...and still still STILL they can't get up and do something about it. Too busy playing the blame game, too busy wearing it like a badge of honour.

It's all Divide and Conquer, and the people don't see themselves as a people, but disparate groups competing against each other, when the real enemy is obvious and laughing at them.

The French wouldn't take this malarkey.
 
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From my knowledge of feminism (which is poor), it seems to mean so many things to so many different people. That's not good for achieving goals. Or anything apart from putting people's backs up.

That's my view. Feminism comes in waves and changes over time, and there's nothing wrong with women's subculture or whatever doing it's thing, everyone is part of it. But that doesn't change how much money we have in our pockets, or what we can do with our lives. Coming out into the workforce was great for most of us, but I think it exposed other problems that feminist, and more generally lefty (yeah, I know :p) arguments only address the symptoms of.

But he won't march...

And that's the trouble with these Brits :D No, seriously, there are foodbanks, wages have stagnated, education is in a desperate shambles, likewise the NHS, services are overstretched, beer prices are astronomical, their politicians are corrupt, they have the fewest holidays in Western Europe, both sides lied to them non-stop over Brexit...and still still STILL they can't get up and do something about it. Too busy playing the blame game, too busy wearing it like a badge of honour.

It's all Divide and Conquer, and the people don't see themselves as a people, but disparate groups competing against each other, when the real enemy is obvious and laughing at them.

The French wouldn't take this malarkey.

I know what you mean, I'm in Australia and it's pretty weak here too, even considering the situation is comparitively alright. We're slowly falling off China's coattails and into her pocket. The French protest seem mad, imprisoning bosses and burning things. They do certainly get their message across :p
 
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Could you say?

Feminism: we want more of the cake!
Backlash: How dare you take some of my cake I was born to have!
Reality: THE WHOLE CAKE'S ROTTEN! IT'S THE CRUMBS FROM 'THEIR' TABLE!

:D
 
A couple of quick disclaimers:

  • I'm happily married, so I'm not looking for a "space date".
  • I'm disgusted by how women were treated during gamergate. I personally welcome women into the gaming community, even when you kick my stern in PvP :)
  • I don't judge men who play female characters. My main in ESO is a female character.

Why do I ask? I'm just curious. A universe with no women would indeed be dead and boring. I've seen some female avatars in the forum, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I have a couple of female friends who love sci fi & astronomy and might enjoy ED (my wife is not one of them), so I would actually be surprised if there were only a handful playing.

The answer is undoubtedly yes, though as for the proportion, based on the responses to this thread, my experience of the past two years and the propensity for some men to take on female roles, my best guess is that Elite is 95 percent male.

It would be a mark of the games success if more women were playing.
 
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Thread should be renamed to 'Do Whining Nonsensical Manchildren Play Elite?'

Seems to me like us women just get on with the game and enjoy it.

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Facts and logic please.

I posted a link to this individual's youtube channel earlier in the thread.

You may as well ask a chocolate biscuit for a definition of the Schwarzchild radius than expect facts and logic from him.
 
Thread should be renamed to 'Do Whining Nonsensical Manchildren Play Elite?'

Seems to me like us women just get on with the game and enjoy it.

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I posted a link to this individual's youtube channel earlier in the thread.

You may as well ask a chocolate biscuit for a definition of the Schwarzchild radius than expect facts and logic from him.

I saw, it was fun, he's going to come back with nothing. :) I kinda hope he comes back with Alex Jones, I recently learned from him that feminism is a conspiracy between the women and the betas to supplant the alpha male and remake society into a Godless a-moral free for all. The funny thing is, he's kinda right, just not at all in the way he thinks. :D
 
Being rewarded in your job is good, but you said yourself that it can be better. What lefties want, economic and social justice, will hopefully help you too, but only if people know what your problems are. If you say other's problems don't count because you have some too, then no one wins except whoever is getting that extra 20% of your pay. Those guys are the same ones taking too much from women too. There's nothing wrong with demanding what you deserve from the people who are unjustly keeping it from you.

But if you don't want to change the injustice in your own life, it's no reason to argue against the people seeking justice in theirs.
 
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