Do players still get the entire pack of paint jobs with a purchase? If not then paint jobs just went up about 6 fold.

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ManRightChea

ManRightChea
macpeep said:
Before you wanted a particular color / skin for your ship but you had to buy a whole pack to get it. Now you can buy the exact color / skin you want and it costs less. For me, personally, it’s an improvement.

Also while on the topic of ARX and skins and all that: for me it’s a big improvement that you have the store inside the game and you buy stuff using ARX, which you can buy outside the game. This is how it is for a ton of other games too (Fortnite, Apex Legends, etc.) and it makes the store experience better since it’s in-game and consistent between all platforms.

Finally, the absolute price (i.e. not relative to what it was) for skins is just fine. It’s the cost of a cup of coffee at Starbucks but rather than getting one each morning on the way to work you buy only a couple of skins ever. And now you can earn ARX inside the game, which means that if you only buy a few skins per year you might never need to spend any money on them at all. Or if you want to think about it another way, perhaps consider the price of items to be reduced for people who play a lot. The more you play, the cheaper the items become.

Seriously, whining about something as trivial as this, as cheap as this, makes you look pretty foolish. This is the behavior you see with small children. If this really makes you so upset, then perhaps you should stop and consider your values and priorities for a bit?
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It isn't trivial. Players like you all simply argue for your own manipulation. We other gamers should not have to pay the price for the foolishness of certain people. It's more childish to not even value your own money to the point where you allow a corporation to steal from you.

How you buy skins is irrelevant. That's just deflecting to not acknowledge the point. Buying one skin for the price of 6 is never going to be a benefit even if you didn't use the other skins. Paying more for one particular skin then another that once shared the same price is not trivial either. From a value perspective you're still getting less for the same money and thanking the manipulators for the privilege.

I would have no problem with it if people like you had no effect on my games, but that foolish attitude affects the games that I have to buy too. If you want to pay for your cosmetics, if you want loot box gambling mechanics, if you excuse greed and manipulation that's your business but don't impact MY game.

If they had one version for suckers and one for people that aren't suckers, I wouldn't care..but they don't. The foolishness of people with your mentality affects all gamers. However just like other threads, shameless zealots rather fish with semantics and feign ignorance.

Knowing something is manipulative does not excuse its presence for gamers with common sense. Though I realize everyone need not apply.

Ruin your own games, but you don't have the right to ruin other people's games.
 
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[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos
macpeep said:
Finally, the absolute price (i.e. not relative to what it was) for skins is just fine. It’s the cost of a cup of coffee at Starbucks
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This is an excellent point to raise to also introduce an analogy too. Many coffee shops have a loyalty scheme, you buy a certain amount over time, you get a free coffee.

As consumers we are well aware of these methods, no one is pouring buckets of coffee down their throats all day to earn a free one.

It is the same ‘manipulation’ as the earning ARX thing. We are extremely sophisticated consumers and know how these things work.
 

pookeyhead

pookeyhead
So my post advising people to NOT BUY ARX has been removed... Reason: Clean Up...

Uhuh? Clean up.... riiiiiiiight. LOL


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Apologies Mods.... it wasn't that which was removed... it was an accidental double post..... I'm just paranoid
 
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pookeyhead

pookeyhead
Just never, ever buy ARX. Then they'll just go back to a normal shop where you pay real money for your in game tat.

The end.
 

Cmdr Esteban

Cmdr Esteban
ManRightChea said:
No we just don't make excuses for corporations. People with your mentality were the same ones saying that loot boxes were not a big deal, now we all get punished by your type of gamer. You also the same type of people that said that locking away cosmetics is okay, now everything that used to be included is no longer included. all gamers have suffered because of people with your mentality. I wouldn't have a problem if only your game was ruined but everyone had to pay the price of your foolishness.
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The hyperbole is strong with this one.
 

macpeep

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ManRightChea said:
If they had one version for suckers and one for people that aren't suckers, I wouldn't care but they don't. The foolishness of people with your mentality affects all gamers.
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Calm down. You’re throwing accusations around like there’s no tomorrow. Now I’m manipulated? Not caring for my money? I look at the available skins and typically buy a single one that I care about for each ship I have. The cost over the years is so close to zero that it’s meaningless. Before, I got a pack of e.g. 5 different colors when I really only cared about that one. So you paid the price of a pack to get one. Now you pay a cheaper price to get a single one. Seems like a good deal to me personally. If you truly cared about the other color variations in the pack, sure, you are getting a worse deal. But my guess is that it’s not the common case. It sure isn’t for me.

Second, if the price of these skins is a financial concern to you, then you probably shouldn’t be spending any money on them. You can play without them and you probably should if a few bucks for a skin means you have to skimp on the Cornflakes the next morning. My average spend on skins is on the order of a few bucks a year so talking about corporations stealing from me, being manipulated, etc. is pretty laughable.

Third, loot boxes and all that is terrible. I don’t support that kind of stuff at all and I don’t think it’s a good idea for the gaming industry to do that. It’s terrible for gamers and that’s true manipulation. This is not the same thing at all though. This is like buying Merch. You do it because you like the look and because you want to support the game.
 

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos
CMDR Karrde Sun said:
The more traditional ones you're probably thinking about also are considered poorly when they employ true price obfuscation.

The only place outside of games ive seen do this are those infomercials designed to prey on the old, stupid or intoxicated.
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It’s all manipulation. Most TV adverts are selling you a lifestyle, not a product. Look at the fashion industry, they use beautiful models (male and female) to make you believe you’ll look like them if you buy those clothes. Why are prices always something 99? It’s manipulation. Every sales technique is there to manipulate you into buying something. That is the point of it.
 

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos
pookeyhead said:
Could you not do it via the old Frontier web site store? I remember buying a paint job ages ago... back in 2014 or so... and I just bought it direct from the website.
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You had to buy Frontier Points from the PS store, then go back in the game, to then go back out of the game to buy the paint job. No straight cash transaction.
 

schmicknick

schmicknick
pookeyhead said:
Could you not do it via the old Frontier web site store? I remember buying a paint job ages ago... back in 2014 or so... and I just bought it direct from the website.
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No.... you had to buy Frontier Points which you then used via the console web interface to buy items...
 
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