Do something about the Incursion tutorials!

[StiTch]

There's a few people here talking about how challenges are needed. This is true. Unfortunately, this is beyond challenge. I believe this was manageable - if tough - to start with; however, there have been changes in mechanics since that have made this more difficult (read: nigh on impossible)-missile nerfs and the like.

As far as I am aware, this is a situation where it's "broken", and no-one has looked to put the time in to them to correct this. The Asp needs a revised loadout and preferably internal, or an outright change in ship. Not buff it to OPness; the issue here is that even a highly skilled commander will get his backside handed to him.

So when you put them up as "training missions" where all the tutorials are....ehwot? There isn't a single challenge in game as tough as this unless you're deliberately looking to get hurt.

THAT SAID. A "challenges" section akin to the special ops MW2 used to have would be pretty sweet.

 

[crocodial]

But its not a tutorial, its a training mission.

Sometimes the game throws impossible odds at you, its not a case of winning its a case of seeing how long you can avoid loosing.


Bit like the kobayashi maru test from Star Trek, which Kirk only beat by being a cheating , funnily enough.

The achievement for completing them is called Well-Trained and its description is, "Complete all the tutorials."

It is fine to have impossible training missions. It is not fine to have them tied to an achievement. It is also not smart to have them be the vehicle that introduces many potential players to the game.

 

[Malkevin]

This game has achievements??

 

[crocodial]

This game has achievements??

on xbox, it does.

 

[tafkabb]

They should be called training missions, not tutorials as I said before.

Official confirmation

 

[Malkevin]

on xbox, it does.

Oh right, this belongs in the dirty console peasants sub forum instead of PC MASTER RACE then.

 

[tafkabb]

Oh right, this belongs in the dirty console peasants sub forum instead of PC MASTER RACE then.

A, PC doesn't have its own section, DD is for everybody
B, Your mum.

 

[crocodial]

They should be called training missions, not tutorials as I said before.

Official confirmation

I think the first 8 or so are aptly called tutorials, as they teach you the very basics of the game; how to shoot, how to navigate, how to dock, etc. It's the 2 Incursion missions that break away from this mold and should probably be moved into training.

 

[RedDragonSwords]

Oh right, this belongs in the dirty console peasants sub forum instead of PC MASTER RACE then.

Seriously? I bet the Xbox One version only has achievements because it's a rule from Microsoft that all Xbox games must have achievements worth 1000G (as of now). And isn't the Xbox One just a custom-build Windows 10 PC with a bit lower specs than most high-end PC's? I personally suggest that you ust get behind your PC, play Elite: Dangerous and be done with this.

 

[Malkevin]

 

[RedDragonSwords]

OK, I've just beaten the first Incursion tutorial. That one's hard, but doable. Incursion Advanced is just impossble. How are we expected to beat 1. Sidewinder, 2. F63 Condor, 3. Sidewinder, 4. 2x F63 Condor, 5. Cobra MkIII, 6. Eagle, 7. Sidewinder and 2x F63 Condor, 8. Viper MkIII, 9. 3x Sidewinder and 10. Anaconda with a Sidewinder with one fixed beam laser and one gimballed multicannon? Please Frontier, tell me.

 

[planting42]

I'd love vid of a Dev trying Advanced Incursion.

 

[RedDragonSwords]

I'd love vid of a Dev trying Advanced Incursion.

That would be great, looking forward to that moment [yesnod]

 

[RedDragonSwords]

This is what the glitch discoverer, Mendex9, has to say about the question if he would mind changing requirements 'cheapening' the achievement for him.

Me: Would you mind it if the Incursion tutorials in Elite: Dangerous would be replaced with other tutorials to make the The Well Trained achievement in Elite: Dangerous worth 1843 points: Complete all the tutorials

easier? I ask you this since there's a discussion going on at the developer's forums and one of the against arguments from the developers is that it will 'cheapen' the achievement for those who've already obtained it.

Mendex9: Cheapen? XD by all means go right ahead. It was a cheap way I obtained it anyway. I don't really like exploits much but when you spend 50 mins+ in those incursion missions just to get your butt handed to you everytime by big mama it just becomes a waste of time.

Sorry for the formatting issues

 

[tafkabb]

OK, I've just beaten the first Incursion tutorial. That one's hard, but doable. Incursion Advanced is just impossble. How are we expected to beat 1. Sidewinder, 2. F63 Condor, 3. Sidewinder, 4. 2x F63 Condor, 5. Cobra MkIII, 6. Eagle, 7. Sidewinder and 2x F63 Condor, 8. Viper MkIII, 9. 3x Sidewinder and 10. Anaconda with a Sidewinder with one fixed beam laser and one gimballed multicannon? Please Frontier, tell me.

You're not supposed to beat it, you're supposed to train your combat skills using it. I just wish there wasn't an achievement for doing it. It can't be done.

 

[RedDragonSwords]

OK, there've been SOME changes in Incursion Advanced. The Sidewinder has been replaced with the Eagle and instead of one fixed beam laser, there's now two fxed burst lasers. Got to wave 6, but got shredded by the Eagle (accidentally activated silent running in wave 3... dumb)

 

[RedDragonSwords]

And 5 new people have beaten Incursion Advanced - thanks Frontier!

 

[RedDragonSwords]

Thread can be closed - 7 new gamers have beaten this legitimately, including me http://www.trueachievements.com/gamerachievement.aspx?gamerid=558709&achievementid=202107

 

[Comrade Error]

They gave Xbox users an Eagle for the Advanced incursions. 2 Fixed bursts 1 gimballed multi-cannon. They also nerfed Big Mamma in the normal incursion (but buffed the AI).

 

[crushdepth]

Those tutorials are to teach you how to fight. Of course they aren't potato mode, jeez.