Dove Enigma UA bombed, preventing completion of its voyage in time for the man it was named for.

[Goblin949]

I for one would go mad with power if I had that kind of pull.

Join the ranks then!

 

[GG7]

I got like 10 reps for this comment, many agree with me. I stated pure facts, this is a good case for a BGS war, but don't do it in OPEN, you might need to PvP, the horror...

Minions are a dime a dozen.

 

[Sole Hunter]

Really? So you have no issues with the tampering of a dying human beings wish? This guy has gone through hell, and quite frankly if you can’t see why it’s important as a member of the human race, especially in the current state of the world, to step back and let your personal goals take a back seat to that of a dying man, then I hope I don’t know you in RL. You’re clearly a person of limited moral standards.

I don't know the individual and I don't care about your feelings, I only care about fair-play. If Frontier use a magic stick to reverse it then it sets a precedent and put them in a difficult spot. If they start reversing every legitimate event in favor of one group and for the sake of a few people then they show favoritism.

 

[Siobhan]

Tbh the only way the Mail will report on this is if its discovered that immigrant thargoids are involved or one of the Kartrashians is banging the megaship captain.

Eh, they'd make that bit up!

 

[Zulu Romeo]

A massive well done to all those helping restore order to the good ship Dove Enigma.

So things were said by Dove Enigma in the heat of the moment and during a period of great hardship, I won't judge as I'm unsure how I'd have reacted.

This is a big deal for Dove Enigma and all the CMDR's who choose to support his cause. The fact that one or several degenerates decided to do this says plenty about them, but the actions of those CMDR's such as Zulu Romeo and the Hutton Truckers speaks in greater volumes.

We have a mission and that mission is to join DE in Colonia. I've traveled back to the bubble from the Western Meridian to take part in the full journey and will be returning to the Western Meridian after Sunday to continue on the Dead End Circumnavigation. I'm delighted to have been able to give up my time in support of and solidarity for Dove.

Those that undertook the actions to disable our wonderful ship have only brought us closer together and although it was not their aim, they have helped raise the profile of this mission and thereby a significant part of our campaign, to raise awareness of skin cancer. So to those that bombed. Yes you did. For we have risen, for we have answered the call and your efforts, feeble though they are, have only made our cause stronger and our participants more determined.

Peace out.

Well said, and well earned rep coming your way. I don’t know if I should be given the credit for what I intend to do regardless of my success in doing so (especially as I had second thoughts as to whether it was necessary, but more on that later) but thank you.

Let me ask again, if you travel 100's of LYs to help and FD fix the problem in the morning, what would you say?

I’ll field this one, as I’m probably going to face this exact situation.

I joined the Enigma Expedition, an exploration trip to honour CMDR DoveEnigma13 and his ordeal. An additional honour given that he had a megaship named for him waiting for us. After days of rest, I finally managed to catch up with the fleet yesterday, and began this evening at Polo Harbour, the last of the original ground stations placed on the road to Colonia back in the day, very close to Colonia itself.

At that point I learned of what happened, that somebody decided to make a statement by UA bombing this megaship tens of kLYs away from Pleiades Sector, so getting there was no mean feat, and this was in all likelihood no accident. Cue the community coming together to send MAs in response to counter the attack and restore functionality.

Me? I was still this close to Colonia, with no cargo bays, no access to MAs, and several kLYs from my Anaconda, which would be a better ship in these circumstances. I wanted to help. Sure, I could shout about it from the rooftops and get others to do the work while I stroll into town. I would contribute nothing of material worth. Or I could turn around now, make a beeline for Human space and get all the MAs my Anaconda’s cargo bay could carry.

I chose to go back.

Some suggested I didn’t need to, after all Canonn and the Hutton Truckers could solve the problem in a heartbeat. But I wanted to, because it’s an adventure I want to experience, the circumstances are inconvenient and the challenge was there. I’m unlikely to make a difference as by the time I swap my Cobra for my Anaconda, load up hundreds of tonnes of loss-making ballast and trundle it through Thargoid territory and kLYs of open space all the way to Colonia, everything might have been solved by everybody else and I would have wasted an 80kLY round trip in both a Cobra and an Anaconda. Sure, I could justify it by saying “Oh, well, they might try again with more UAs” or “Well, I owe the universe 139,715,053 credits anyway, may as well contribute to it this way” to take the sting out of the material and time loss.

But the point is that, should I succeed in delivering my meta alloys whether they’re needed or not, I’ll have done my bit, helping those others also doing their bit. Who knows, people might look back and ask, “What did you do when the Dove Enigma went down” and I’ll then start telling the tale of CMDR DoveEnigma13 and how he inspired us all. It might inspire others to go and see the ship for themselves.

 

[Maka Gucci]

Back in the day this would have led to a community event to save the Dove with hundreds if not thousands of us trekking to fix it up and complete the mission. Sure we would have been a bit angry but we would have set it right because we could.
-snip-
In this case for this problem it can be fixed by in game means. So lets get on and damn well do it.
If the system needs to be changed or the mega-ship with the black market or whatever thats an issue for after. Right now lets fix the problem because we can fix it ourselves.

Well said

 

[Theodrid]

I don't know the individual. Don't care about your feelings, only care about fairplay. If Frontier use a magic stick to reverse it then it sets a precedent and put them in a difficult spot. If they start reversing every legitimate game mechanic for the sake of a few people, they show favoritism toward a specific group of player within the community.

You don't think this may be, oh I don't know, an exceptional case Sole? - hardly talking about 'reversing every legitimate game mechanic' here are we?

 

[BuddyE]

You missed the most disgusting part! Then that guy posts the exchange on here attempting to get people to turn on Dove E for his reaction to that guy's blatant passive/aggressive trolling behavior.

Not to mention these "kids" on here don't even know what the term "Drink Bleach" means. They take it literally and then fall all over themselves in faux outrage.

PLEASE!

Is there an educator in the house?

It at least seems that the last one left decades ago i think.

 

[LeoBartlet]

I've gotten 2 pages of reps today from this single thread.

What is your point?

I got 4 likes for suggesting I'd rather tell a date I sell drugs to kids than tell them I report on game drama.

The bar isnt exactly high mate.

 

[CMDR Carbo]

I concur with this.

The problem here is one of fourth wall confusion: what is the game, what is real life; what has no real consequences, what does; what has no real meaning or significance, and what does? Where are the boundaries?

It was a lovely idea to create this game event to bring some pleasure and social support to a fellow player at a very difficult time: the game as a medium for meaningful bonding and relating between human beings. But while most people can hold the pretend world of a game and reality side-by-side in their heads, and therefore can join this game while holding on to its real-life context and meaning, some people can't, or don't want to. A game is not real, and therefore its meaning and consequences are experienced as not real. Arguably that's the whole point: a game is escapism, catharsis, a safe space within which to explore experiences, actions and feelings that cannot be readily accessed or are not socially acceptable in real life. Arguably, breaking the fourth wall with a real tragedy creates sort of the same emotional conflict --and then detachment, or even anger-- that we may experience when we watch TV and the film is interrupted by another charity appeal showing real people suffering abject misery. The harsh reality is experienced as intruding on the privacy of our fantasy. I think that such feelings may possibly lie behind the hostility of UA bombing and some people's irritable "what's the big deal? It's just a game" reactions.

But just like for many people football is not just about football, but can have layers of meaning and context wrapped around it --social bonding, fond childhood memories of going to the weekend match with dad, a sense of belonging to a community of like-minded people-- computer games are not just about computer games. There is a reason why a man struggling with terminal cancer would choose this game as a medium and context for meaningfully relating to his current situation and those to who he is turning for social support. It is something that deserves some consideration, compassion and respect. It costs so little, yet gives so much.

There was always bound to be a conflict. Cancer is like that: it invades bodies and lives. It terrifies, alienates and isolates and exposes all the clever medical science that borders on magic like smoke and mirrors, and us like children clutching make-believe magic wands. But the magic isn't in the sticks of wood; it isn't in the HOTAS under your palm or the dancing pixels on the screen. The magic is in us. There is no compassion but in us, no love but in us, no courage, no purpose, no meaning but in us. There is just us. If our dreams of traveling the vast sea of stars taught us anything, it should be that: there is just us. Is it a wonder, then, that the stars is where this player turned?

Frontier may need to keep this in mind while considering the duty of care it has assumed. Players need to keep this in mind while playing the game, and posting on this forum.

Whenever it is night where you are, before you go to bed give a thought to this player who could have been --one day may be-- any of us.

And dream of stars.

Beautifully written.
Sometimes I'm astonished how people can't see the difference anymore between game an reality. Scary.
This is not about back in the day, when CMDR Grock ran out of fuel.
It's about ensuring that a real person that has very limited time left doesn't have a miserable day, or lose the joy in one of the few things that still bring them happiness.

 

[nathdixon92]

Seriously; some of you guys really need to get a grip. It's a game.

 

[Siobhan]

You missed the most disgusting part! Then that guy posts the exchange on here attempting to get people to turn on Dove E for his reaction to that guy's blatant passive/aggressive trolling behavior.

Not to mention these "kids" on here don't even know what the term "Drink Bleach" means. They take it literally and then fall all over themselves in faux outrage.

PLEASE!

Is there an educator in the house?

Not saying you're wrong or anything but today was the first time I ever encountered this particular term. Maybe I led a sheltered life for the last 50 years...

 

[Vardaugas]

Eh, they'd make that bit up!

Probably something like: "Hackers disrupting wake for cancer victim face barrage of death threats." Followed by a long winded rant about video games and violence and a call for politicians to finally do something about that.

 

[GG7]

You’re clearly a person of limited moral standards.

But he had 10 reps from that post!

[rolleyes] [wacko]

 

[Dagwit]

Sorry, you are making too much of this .. it's a computer game .. I didn't see the Daily Mail kick up a storm when a charitable event was destroyed by stream killers (or whatever they are called) .. and that was making money for a charity that covered 1000's .. not one person.

Well, we'll see. At least one poster in this thread has already said they've been in touch with contacts in the media. If I were an FDev manager I'd be praying right now for a major earthquake somewhere populous.

BTW, anyone think UA bombing will still be something people can do this time next week?

 

[DaedalusVar]

Don't worry guys, I'm on my way with a bunch of UA's to help. We'll get this fixed in no time.

 

[Siobhan]

Probably something like: "Hackers disrupting wake for cancer victim face barrage of death threats." Followed by a long winded rant about video games and violence and a call for politicians to finally do something about that.

The 2018 Something Must Be Done Act?
With additional information from the Someone Think Of The Children act of 2016 and 2017

 

[RJMcReady]

I only heard about this because of the UA bombs.

Donated 20 of her majesty's finest pounds to a good cause.

I wish the cmdr all the best and hope that the community can fix the problem for him rather than a deus ex machina.

lots of interest and buzz around this event now so there is a view that the UA bombing upped the profile of the event somewhat?

 

[GG7]

Not saying you're wrong or anything but today was the first time I ever encountered this particular term. Maybe I led a sheltered life for the last 50 years...

Could be a regional thing. Common slang in both So Cal and Seattle where I grew up and apparently the UK where I believe Dove E is from.

 

[rootsrat]

Back in the day this would have led to a community event to save the Dove with hundreds if not thousands of us trekking to fix it up and complete the mission. Sure we would have been a bit angry but we would have set it right because we could.

It did, buddy. Don't pay attention to the forum storm.

The rescue is on the way.