Earth Defense Fleet Respectfully Request a MegaShip

[xondk]

Sky Marshall Vicktore Beskor (EDF)

If EDF does the same as cannon, providing rich lore, working with the entire community, and providing an enormous amount of information, events and a ton more, continually over a year, then sure, I'd say EDF can likely earn it too.

But here's the thing, you clearly missed the enormous amount of effort cannon put in to get where it is, and as such get a Mega ship.

So yeah, please do not try to cheapen Cannon's continual actions.

 

[Asp Explorer]

That it would have some degree of depth to it design and allow the players more meaningful interactions with it.

Why not ask one out to the movies? Perhaps dinner and a bottle of wine someplace nice?

 

[Vicktore Beskor]

Why do you expect them to actively asking you to complete a form for a mega ship.
It is the CG process, the same CG that has been in place for over a year, the same CG process you said you know about and feel you shouldn't have to bother with.

Stop being disingenuous, and pretending you have missed out on something that doesn't exist just so you can complain it is unfair.

Are you saying you know for sure that Cannon just proposed a CG application to get its megaship you know this for sure. Are you a part of Cannons leadership and you are speaking for Cannon. Because their are members of the EDF who are apart of Cannon and they never told me that is how they are getting their megaship

 

[Vasious]

Are you saying you know for sure that Cannon just proposed a CG application to get its megaship you know this for sure. Are you a part of Cannons leadership and you are speaking for Cannon. Because their are members of the EDF who are apart of Cannon and they never told me that is how they are getting their megaship

Are you saying you know for sure there was a secret Mega ship application form you never got?
I think the burden of proof falls to you to prove that first, since you are complaining about not getting one and it is un-fair despite flat out refusing to follow the suggested process before you, as it seems to be beneath you and the EDF to follow the same process as everyone else.

Prove there is a secret Mega ship application form

 

[Vicktore Beskor]

If EDF does the same as cannon, providing rich lore, working with the entire community, and providing an enormous amount of information, events and a ton more, continually over a year, then sure, I'd say EDF can likely earn it too.

But here's the thing, you clearly missed the enormous amount of effort cannon put in to get where it is, and as such get a Mega ship.

So yeah, please do not try to cheapen Cannon's continual actions.

The Earth Defense Fleet is just as active as Cannon as a matter of fact the Earth Defense Fleet got their PMF home system the same time as Cannon but because we are not as popular as Cannon dose not mean we don't have the right to ask for the same opportunities that Cannon gets. We put in the same amount for work into the game as they. So in my so humble opinion we should have the same opportunities. As should any player have the same opportunities.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander

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Are you saying you know for sure there was a secret Mega ship application form you never got?
I think the burden of proof falls to you to prove that first, since you are complaining about not getting one and it is un-fair despite flat out refusing to follow the suggested process before you, as it seems to be beneath you and the EDF to follow the same process as everyone else.

Prove there is a secret Mega ship application form

You are the one who is speaking like you know something everyone else dose not. So I ask you again are you speaking as a representative of Cannon or are you just making assumptions?

 

[Whipley]

FDev open this can of worms I am only asking in behalf of my fleet. If Cannon can have one why not the Earth Defense Fleet

Hmm, perhaps because Canonn brings players together to work on the mystery behind the Powers and actively adds to ED's universe? Maybe actually do something positive with your "fleet" and see what happens...

 

[Vicktore Beskor]

Why not ask one out to the movies? Perhaps dinner and a bottle of wine someplace nice?

If FDevs ever comes to NYC I will take the to a yankee game and buy them a hotdog at coney Island if that would help

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Hmm, perhaps because Canonn brings players together to work on the mystery behind the Powers and actively adds to ED's universe? Maybe actually do something positive with your "fleet" and see what happens...

It should not be a popularity contest on who gets what it should be equal for all if the Earth Defense Fleet is willing to put in the hard work to get a megaship we should have the same opportunities to do so.

 

[Gunnet]

We really don't know yet what FDevs plans are for megaships yet. I would hope that it is more than just a show piece. That it would have some degree of depth to it design and allow the players more meaningful interactions with it.

They're literally just stations. Without meaning to sound like I'm trying to take the shine off Cannon's megaship, it's not going to be mechanically any different to the stations their ingame faction already controls beyond potentially moving around sometimes. If Frontier were going to introduce a huge and incredibly controversial new set of mechanics which go against the game's original design principles and take it in a fundamentally different direction, they wouldn't do it through a CG with no official fanfare. Not to mention a complete lack of beta testing.

I think you might be mistakenly believing that this is the beginning of what you sometimes refer to as "proper fleet mechanics and player ownership". If that were true I could actually understand your concern at it not being immediately open to other groups, and would have a raft of different concerns myself. But it's simply not true.

 

[RamirezKurita]

That's a good point about the nature of Cannon's megaship. Their 'ownership' of it is extremely likely to extend no further than their (or any player group's) 'ownership' of a station or base controlled by a minor faction named after them. Meaning that even if Vicktore's player group were to receive a megaship, it wouldn't be at all what they imagine or desire.

Going even further, I suspect that the Cannon megaship is likely to just be a tool for FD to provide and draw attention to plot outside the bubble. New anomaly appeared? Send in the Cannon megaship. New CG out in the Rift? Send in the Cannon megaship. Want to draw attention to something happening to the Barnacles? Again, send the Cannon megaship off to Maia. Outside the name of the faction it belongs to, it's just going to be a regular fixture out at wherever the current hot topic is for explorers.

 

[Vicktore Beskor]

They're literally just stations. Without meaning to sound like I'm trying to take the shine off Cannon's megaship, it's not going to be mechanically any different to the stations their ingame faction already controls beyond potentially moving around sometimes. If Frontier were going to introduce a huge and incredibly controversial new set of mechanics which go against the game's original design principles and take it in a fundamentally different direction, they wouldn't do it through a CG with no official fanfare. Not to mention a complete lack of beta testing.

I think you might be mistakenly believing that this is the beginning of what you sometimes refer to as "proper fleet mechanics and player ownership". If that were true I could actually understand your concern at it not being immediately open to other groups, and would have a raft of different concerns myself. But it's simply not true.

That maybe true but that dose not mean other PMF's should not have the same opportunities.

 

[metatheurgist]

Yeah, player factions were such a good idea.

 

[Dbrn47]

That's a good point about the nature of Cannon's megaship. Their 'ownership' of it is extremely likely to extend no further than their (or any player group's) 'ownership' of a station or base controlled by a minor faction named after them. Meaning that even if Vicktore's player group were to receive a megaship, it wouldn't be at all what they imagine or desire.

Then we'd be back to base building and fleets, but we already had that thread. What a predicament.

 

[Matt Harpring]

If FDevs ever comes to NYC I will take the to a yankee game and buy them a hotdog at coney Island if that would help

I don't know if Frontier would find the 3 and a half hour + train ride from Yankees stadium to coney island romantic. You better hope they're super in to Mr Robot.

 

[Gunnet]

That maybe true but that dose not mean other PMF's should not have the same opportunities.

We're just going in circles at this point, but every player group (PMF?) has the same opportunity to submit a CG proposal. A word of advice though, focus on selling to Frontier the idea that your minor faction owning a megaship would actually contribute something beneficial to the game. Telling them how beneficial it would be to your group or saying that it's unfair for only Cannon to have one won't get you anywhere.

 

[Mr_Foxhound]

Canonn is heavily invested in the Elite storyline regarding UAs/probes, alien ruins, Thargoids and similar topics. They contribute in a very substantial way to the Elite community in general by promoting this storyline and by extension general interest in the game. If any community group is going to get a megaship (and very few groups would qualify here) then Canonn would be at the top of the list for that, particularly because it makes sense as a research base for RP purposes.

Your argument for why you want a megaship is basically "I saw another group get a shiny new megaship, now I want one".

I'm pretty sure that it doesn't work that way.

wait so cannon do the "story telling" work for free because the dev's cant then instead of paying them all they get is a vectored graphics ship in a game that talks and does nothing else? ......... lol orcs in mordor get payed better

 

[Vicktore Beskor]

We're just going in circles at this point, but every player group (PMF?) has the same opportunity to submit a CG proposal. A word of advice though, focus on selling to Frontier the idea that your minor faction owning a megaship would actually contribute something beneficial to the game. Telling them how beneficial it would be to your group or saying that it's unfair for only Cannon to have one won't get you anywhere.

Please explain who dose Cannon getting a megaship benefit anyone in the game.

 

[Martian Successor]

Yeah, player factions were such a good idea.

Nothing wrong with them as long as they're all treated equally and have equal access to the features FD designs. Every player faction should be able to request a CG to get a Megaship in my opinion. Otherwise it just turns into the developer playing favourites.

 

[Gunnet]

Please explain who dose Cannon getting a megaship benefit anyone in the game.

I was just saying that you're more likely to have success when asking Frontier to give you something if you tell them how it might benefit the game (i.e. them) rather than how it would benefit you.

I obviously can't say with certainty what Frontier's motivations are here, but I expect that RamirezKurita's post on the last page is pretty close to the money. Whenever new storyline hotspots appear they will be able to make a bit of an event out of the fact that Cannon is dispatching the Gnosis (in a roleplay sense, probably not without action and/or approval by Frontier in reality) to investigate. Plus, many players who aren't into exploration may currently be put off visiting the semi-remote story locations because of a lack of facilities. The Gnosis will be able to provide temporary services well outside the bubble(s) and help encourage newer or less intrepid players to make the trip and participate.

 

[Lightspeed]

To be honest, I wouldn't know what to do with a Megaship if they gave me one. I'm going to hold out for when they give away PLANETS !

 

[RamirezKurita]

Please explain who dose Cannon getting a megaship benefit anyone in the game.

We are seeing more and more anomaly stuff out at the Rift and with the Thargoids becoming increasingly active, with that in mind it stands to reason that players benefit greatly from having a deep space research vessel to provide a point of contact and resupply outside the bubble. Such a research ship has to belong to a minor faction, and what better minor faction than the Cannon Research Group?