ED Astrometrics: Maps and Visualizations

Boomtrooper

Boomtrooper
And jeesh, what a great project... there are some seriously clever folk on these forums! 👏👏👏
Out of interest, what's so special about the location right at the "northern" tip of the figure?? Seems very well travelled...
 

M_72

M_72
Boomtrooper said:
And jeesh, what a great project... there are some seriously clever folk on these forums! 👏👏👏
Out of interest, what's so special about the location right at the "northern" tip of the figure?? Seems very well travelled...
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Beagle Point is the focal point out there. That's where the two Distant Worlds expeditions travelled to. They were the two largest exploration events in Elite, with thousands of players travelling out there back in 2016 (DW1), and 2019 (DW2), so its one of the most well travelled locations outside of the bubble.
 

Orvidius

Orvidius
CDD_Juriy said:
Hi, Dear Orvidius. Are small ideas for improvement accepted here? In a sector-by-sector view, it is good to have a display of coordinates, as on an interactive map. Something like this:
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Yes, the coordinates are displayed along the edges. ;)

EDIT: Or did you mean coordinates that show where the mouse cursor corresponds to the map? It's possible. I'll put some thought into it.
 
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varonica

varonica
Hi Orvidius, not sure who to ask about this, but I have a question regarding data in EDSM. This is the second system I have encountered like this and I am wondering if it is possible to pull them out of the database since it has affected at least two systems I am visiting. Here is the issue, this is the EDSM page before visiting;

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You can see the obvious issue, the system is recorded in EDSM, but there's no data apart from coordinates, not even a star reported, it seems strange and at first I thought it might be down to a manual entry, but I note after visiting the coordinates recorded are exact down to the last decimal places. Here is it after I visited. I wasn't the first there in fact, it had been previously visited, so I am even more puzzled than before, why wasn't at least the star recorded?

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My point of visiting these systems is to get the data recorded, but using a manual lookup I get a positive that the system is already in EDSM but it doesn't cater for anomalies like this! If we could get a full list of these anomalies I would then be able to filter by systems I am interested in to get them recorded properly. So can we filter the data to expose these systems?
 

Eahlstan

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Might be from a time when you had to target the main star to get it scanned.
There are thousands of systems without body data, so it's nothing unusual.
 

varonica

varonica
Eahlstan said:
Might be from a time when you had to target the main star to get it scanned.
There are thousands of systems without body data, so it's nothing unusual.
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The main star was always shown once you honked even before the FSS, it's in the automatic scanner range, it is unusual because it has coordinate data but no star and that should be impossible, I have only come across a couple of these with no star data but coordinates, they would far more common if that was the case.

I am well aware there are thousands if systems without body data because you had to fly to the planets to get the data, but the star is always in range of the autoscan.
 

Eahlstan

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varonica said:
The main star was always shown once you honked even before the FSS, it's in the automatic scanner range
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It was shown on the radar, it wasn't written to the journal and no discovery tags were given by simply revealing a body by honking. You always had to scan a body by pointing your ship towards it (while in range) to get it properly scanned, written to the journal and your name on it after selling.

e.g.:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/9lyf0a
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/9lyf0a/discovered_planets_but_not_star/
 

Orvidius

Orvidius
Yeah, there are tons of those in the data from the pre-FSS days. And I'm definitely one of the people who contributed to that, since I often wouldn't bother to scan the star unless I was sticking around to scan something else too. Anyone just jonking through would have submitted systems without any body data.

I don't know if Anthor would be open to having an API call to test for cases like this. Technically there are two separate conditions to check for-- either no bodies listed at all, or there are bodies but not the main star (if someone scanned a planet only, and then moved on, for instance). The former can be an easy database lookup, but the latter is slightly more complicated since it might require a name comparison with any stars in the system to see if the main star is accounted for. There are body IDs in the data, but probably not as reliably included as the names. ;)

I could probably make a spreadsheet for systems that are like this. I already try to detect main stars and track them in my systems' table. So I'd just have to show systems that lack these entries.

EDIT: Not as many as I thought? I only have a little over 11k systems without the main star ID populated with something. I'll have to check that I don't have some bad values going into there.

EDIT 2: It'll be a long list, as expected. I found my mistake. I'm flagging them with a zero for the MainStarID to mark that it's been checked, but had no available main star found. I'll need to double-check the recheck schedule, but I should be able to build a large list.
 
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varonica

varonica
Eahlstan said:
It was shown on the radar, it wasn't written to the journal and no discovery tags were given by simply revealing a body by honking. You always had to scan a body by pointing your ship towards it (while in range) to get it properly scanned, written to the journal and your name on it after selling.

e.g.:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/9lyf0a
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/9lyf0a/discovered_planets_but_not_star/
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Ah ok, it's been a few years now I guess, easy to forget the details of old systems.

Orvidius said:
OK, I've generated a list. This includes some basic info, like coordinates, star and planet counts, id64 and EDSM ID.

I don't know if this will actually be helpful, but it's still good data to add to the website. It'll update weekly. Currently a 600 MB download, and over 21 million entries.
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Thanks, that's great. My own current list for visiting is only around a thousand long, so these shouldn't add that much to it....I hope!
 

K Olley

K Olley
Don't know if it is any help but I have noticed on several occasions when moving my carrier I have taken a ship out and when switching to FSS but before doing scan nothing has been detected, it is only after you do the pulse that any stars are detected. Maybe the carrier is arriving in the system too far from the main star for it to be auto-detected.

It may be possible for someone traveling by carrier nowadays to also cause this problem.
 

varonica

varonica
Orvidius said:
OK, I've generated a list. This includes some basic info, like coordinates, star and planet counts, id64 and EDSM ID.

I don't know if this will actually be helpful, but it's still good data to add to the website. It'll update weekly. Currently a 600 MB download, and over 21 million entries.

https://edastro.com/mapcharts/files/systems-without-main-stars.zip
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Downloaded but to large for me to open, what are you using to work with data files this large?
 

varonica

varonica
Orvidius said:
OK, I've generated a list. This includes some basic info, like coordinates, star and planet counts, id64 and EDSM ID.

I don't know if this will actually be helpful, but it's still good data to add to the website. It'll update weekly. Currently a 600 MB download, and over 21 million entries.

https://edastro.com/mapcharts/files/systems-without-main-stars.zip
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Ignore previous post, used Notepad++ to open it, however it appears I have either already found all the ones in my current search criteria, or they didn't make it through your filter, looking for systems with KOI **** (where the asterisks are numbers with either 2, 3 or 4 digits. It's not a huge set so I may coincidentally just found the last system with no main star.
 

Eahlstan

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Is there something hanging at your sector viewer script?
For some time the last days shown were 2021-08-19 and 2021-08-20. Today It changed to 2021-08-19 and 2021-08-27, but the last two pictures are still labeled 2021-08-19 and 2021-08-20, and since I added a few hundred systems to the sector I'm in ( https://edastro.com/sector/view#Blia_Chria ) I can say for sure that the last picture isn't from 2021-08-27.
 
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