ED on a Laptop - I've Got Questions!

StefanOS

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according to the 1st Ch 4 livestream, the Adams said that PC graphics are far better than any console and some of the fog and weather effects they're testing can't be done on the consoles (not sure if because PC's have the power to run unoptimized code when they were testing or if they don't have the power to do it at all).

Was he talking about ED?? Weather?? Can you point to that statement or video?
 
While my wife was ill I used a 970m, i7 16GB, with 17 inch screen usually into a FHD TV, worked a treat. Fans used to spin up a bit, but nothing major. Circa 2014 it was 1200GBP but would expect it to be much less now.
 
ED can be played on any Laptop, but Laptops are really just for occasional use, you wanna stay logged on 24/7 use a desktop...like me :p
Laptop battery's die after say 3 years.
Desktop for any spec is always cheaper.
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Here is what I would recommend:

Buy the laptop that you need to do what it's intended to do, and spend that extra budget on either a PC upgrade, or upgrading to a PS4 Pro.

Being serious, because in my experience, laptops in that price range end up with disappointing game performance, especially with what you have mentioned is important to you in terms of graphics quality.

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Here is what I would recommend:

Buy the laptop that you need to do what it's intended to do, and spend that extra budget on either a PC upgrade, or upgrading to a PS4 Pro.

Being serious, because in my experience, laptops in that price range end up with disappointing game performance, especially with what you have mentioned is important to you in terms of graphics quality.

Riôt
Well the one laptop I posted I would guess would get 60 fps with no problem. My laptop. Get Elite Dangerous at the lowest fps max setting 90 100fps at Station Astroid belts and planets and 120 fps in supercruise.
 
You can get a laptop with a GTX 1060 6GiB in it for 1000USD or less, if you shop around, which is more than sufficient to run Horizons at 1080p60 with ultra settings.

GTX 1060 is the sweet spot for laptops in this price range. Anything faster costs significantly more and anything cheaper is significantly slower.
 
I'll answer Q4 since VR pushes things to the limit and lets you know what settings are a performance hog -

Ambient occlusion is a killer, even on my 1080TI/ I7 7700K, Shadows will always be an FPS killer. Depending on what is the weakest link on your system (CPU/GPU) You'll want to adjust terrain and object draw distances.

A word of caution about shadows.

I play VR on an old system so I play with all graphic loveliness turned to its lowest settings. One time I was playing with a bunch of friends and I asked them how they could fly their fighters full tilt down a pitch black valley. If you turn shadows completely off then the dark side of moons get very dark indeed.

I'm looking forward to night vision in the next update.
 
Thanks everyone for your answers so far!



Wait, did I accidentally post this question on Amazon? :p

I hate it when you ask a question and someone replies with 'why do you want to do that?' rather than answering the question...
But in this case it's kind of justified. You already own a PS4 and I doubt that many sub $1000 laptops are able to perform better than your console. Since you mention battery life I guess you also want to play Elite while traveling?

Personally I stopped believing in gaming laptops years ago, which doesn't mean it isn't possible but it always comes with compromises. It's either heat or graphics. Almost every laptop that has good specifications has poor build quality, unless you are willing to spend several thousand dollars.
If mobility isn't necessary I'd go for a relatively cheap desktop instead and upgrade it once in a while.

And sorry for being that stupid idiot who fails to answer your questions... ;)
 
I may be getting a new laptop to replace my old one, and if I do, I would probably invest in a low or mid-range (under $1000 US) gaming laptop. I haven't been a PC gamer since Unreal Tournament and Quake Arena days, so I have some questions, particular in regards to Elite Dangerous. Most of these questions are for laptop owners, but some are general PC questions.

1) Is anyone playing ED with high / ultra settings at 1920x1080 60 fps on a sub-$1000 laptop? If not, what about a solid 30 fps?

2) Does ED prefer ATI or Nvidia graphics, or does it not matter?

3) Related to #2, is there anything else ED "prefers" - a certain amount of RAM, a certain number of cores, etc?

4) What are the most "expensive" quality settings in ED? For example, I'd like really good shadows, high-quality textures, and minimal LOD-popping. I can happily live without certain special effects like heat shimmer.

5) How long can you play ED on an unplugged laptop before the battery is drained - say, 20 percent?

6) How hot does your laptop get while playing ED? Is it fairly quiet, or does it get noisy from the fans?

7) Can you drive an external display (in my case, 1080p monitor via HDMI) and maintain the quality and framerate of using your laptop screen?

I'll probably have more questions as these ones are answered and you tell me what you think. Please understand that I need a laptop, not a desktop.

Thank you!!!

1. My old (~7 years) laptop ran 1080 60fps on medium, so a new one (with discrete graphics) should do max @ 1080 no problem.

2. There's not a huge difference anymore. nVidea desktop cards are available in laptops now, so that's my recommendation.

3. ~8gb ram is becoming a standard requirement now days. Worry less about how many cores, more about base clock speed. 3ghz dual core is better than 1.5ghz quad core (for games).

4. No idea, they all seem pretty similar performance wise.

5. That depends on, the size of battery (bigger is better), the energy efficiency of the CPU and GPU, what kind of wifi/bluetooth you have going, and the type of display your laptop has.

6. My old laptop got to 60c, fans full blast (a hamster blowing through a straw would move more air). Noise is not much concern, laptop speakers suck and you will want headphones/earbuds.

7. Yes, my old laptop had a 1600x900 built in screen, that sucked, so I added a 1080 monitor via HDMI. Check the laptop and monitor you want to buy to make sure they have the same interface, you can get adapters most of the time, but that's a pain in the .
 
Two things that I've found you need to be mindful of with laptops:

1) Even if you set it to "maximum performance" or "no power savings" in Windows and/or in the graphics card program, if you unplug the cord the graphics card will slow down on battery power. I've seen it happen even on current generation laptops.

2) A lot of newer PCs insist on having both an onboard chipset AND a discrete graphics card. They claim it switches to the onboard chip "when the computer doesn't need as much power" and that the transition is "smooth," etc, but without fail every PC I've seen with it has stuttering and application hangs because the OS is clueless as to when such a switch is actually appropriate if at all. And going into device manager and disabling the onboard chipset fixed it EVERY time.
 
I may be getting a new laptop to replace my old one, and if I do, I would probably invest in a low or mid-range (under $1000 US) gaming laptop. I haven't been a PC gamer since Unreal Tournament and Quake Arena days, so I have some questions, particular in regards to Elite Dangerous. Most of these questions are for laptop owners, but some are general PC questions.

1) Is anyone playing ED with high / ultra settings at 1920x1080 60 fps on a sub-$1000 laptop? If not, what about a solid 30 fps?

2) Does ED prefer ATI or Nvidia graphics, or does it not matter?

3) Related to #2, is there anything else ED "prefers" - a certain amount of RAM, a certain number of cores, etc?

4) What are the most "expensive" quality settings in ED? For example, I'd like really good shadows, high-quality textures, and minimal LOD-popping. I can happily live without certain special effects like heat shimmer.

5) How long can you play ED on an unplugged laptop before the battery is drained - say, 20 percent?

6) How hot does your laptop get while playing ED? Is it fairly quiet, or does it get noisy from the fans?

7) Can you drive an external display (in my case, 1080p monitor via HDMI) and maintain the quality and framerate of using your laptop screen?

I'll probably have more questions as these ones are answered and you tell me what you think. Please understand that I need a laptop, not a desktop.

Thank you!!!

A) Elite is a massively graphics and CPU heat intensive game.

B) Go through the Five Steps Of Greif, and buy a full PC.

Sorry. :)
 
Two things that I've found you need to be mindful of with laptops:

1) Even if you set it to "maximum performance" or "no power savings" in Windows and/or in the graphics card program, if you unplug the cord the graphics card will slow down on battery power. I've seen it happen even on current generation laptops.

Have you tried setting up your own power plan? I believe Windows no longer allows you to use High Performance when the laptop is unplugged, creating your own plan should still work though.
 
My insprion with it's i7 3630QM CPU, 8GB ram has no issues. Gets a bit warm these days since an ED update about a year or so ago, so anything new than this will be just fine imo.

I have engineered a couple of bits on it though, wifi card and hard drive -> ssd m. something or other. Didn't have to travel either for the parts.....they got sent to me when I paid for them with money.... :)
 
Have you tried setting up your own power plan? I believe Windows no longer allows you to use High Performance when the laptop is unplugged, creating your own plan should still work though.

These tests included setting up a custom plan, and going into the finest-detailed settings available, yes.
 
In case anyone is interested, this is because li-ion batteries don't like to be discharged violently, they tend to explode, as documented over the years.

An i7 CPU and a GTX1060 running at full trot would reduce the average laptop battery longevity from 500-600 cycles to 50-100 which would quicly lead to protests, violence and possibly thermonuclear war.

Not to mention gaming on a battery if you could, would get you about 15 mins of playtime.
 
Hey all, I have some clarifications and new questions.

First and most importantly, I'm not buying a computer for gaming, but I may buy a laptop for my work (from home) & pleasure, and thus I'm entertaining the idea of getting one that can also run ED.

As mentioned by others, efficiency is very important to me, especially regarding power consumption (which tangentially should also mean a cooler laptop). So here's a new question - when I'm out exploring in deep space, can I run ED using the integrated graphics controller (Intel) at lower settings and still get decent framerate? If so, I'm assuming this would greatly decrease power consumption.

Size and power consumption are the primary reasons I can't just go out and buy a monster gaming desktop rig. Nor do I really want one, because I'm happy with my PS4 for most of my gaming needs. However, ED on a PC has some extra advantages over consoles besides just better graphics. Now if I could buy this (see video below) for a decent price, well then I'd be very tempted, but I don't think it's available in US right now :(

[video=youtube;x0KSJg2sqJM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0KSJg2sqJM[/video]
 
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