ED: Real World Price of Ships (AKA: fun with numbers)

problem is they do have lesser structural density than modern transport airplanes. They are more like dirigibles. (or somewhere in between). I have not checked against space shuttle (yet)
Numbers I ran:

VMass emptyDensity empty [t/m3]Max MassDensfull [t/m3]DWT[T]CargoVol
An 2254 1782850,06820972226400,15317270943551300
LCS232 36723070,071276417431040,095900303379711000
Victory28 98743000,1483423604149000,51402352781060020000
L9110 57310000,009043766915940,0144157644594
Anaconda69 2684000,00577469412120,0174973228812
Cobra Mk34 3971800,04093780222860,0650456191106

Cobra is showing somewhat reasonable density, rest, not so much

And family photo with cargo representation
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V (m^3)Mass emptyDensity empty [t/m3]Max MassDensfull [t/m3]DWT[T]CargoVol (m^3)
Shuttle (OV-105)456 (est)79.1350.17354166671100.241228070224.99016.619

No figures I could find for the volume of the shuttle so I've assumed it to be cylinder the same length and height as the body of the orbiter. It's going to be out but in the right order of magnitude.

That's just for the shuttle, no external tank or boosters.

It's worth noting in the comparison to the AN225 that the shuttle doesn't fly, it glides like a brick with wings! :)
 
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What would it equate to if we used, for example, a ton of grain or something instead?

Price of 1t Grain in ED: 268 credits
Price of 1t of Wheat in USD: ~$245 ( http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=wheat )

Sidewinder
$29,254

Eagle
$40,955

Hauler
$48,196

Viper
$130,665

Cobra
$255,712

Lakon-6
$956,181

Asp
$6,089,487

Clipper
$20,382,409

Dropship
$34,568,956

Lakon-9
$69,985,751

Anaconda
$134,356,401


So they come out quite close (slightly under) the ingame credits price.
 
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That looks odd, why is the cargo space so small compared to the actual ship?

I can't answer that, I am not 100% convinced by those volume visualizations (they must be mass limited rather than volume limited, as otherwise how would it carry a tonne of feathers, which use more volume than a tonne of gold, for example), but if you compare them on mass, you can see which ships can carry most compared to their hull mass:

Sidewinder
16% (stock setup)
40% (max. cargo setup)

Eagle
4% (stock)
28% (max. cargo setup)

Hauler
57% (stock)
157% (max. cargo setup)

Viper
7% (stock)
37% (max. cargo setup)

Cobra
10% (stock)
33% (max. cargo setup)

Lakon-6
32% (stock)
72% (max. cargo setup)

Asp (new nerfed cargo space)
14% stock)
46% (max. cargo setup)

Clipper
11% stock)
37% (max. cargo setup)

Dropship
10% stock)
28% (max. cargo setup)

Lakon-9
22% (stock)
53% (max. cargo setup)

Anaconda
29% (stock)
117% (max. cargo setup)
 
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I can't answer that, I am not 100% convinced by those volume visualizations (they must be mass limited rather than volume limited, as otherwise how would it carry a tonne of feathers, which use more volume than a tonne of gold, for example), but if you compare them on mass, you can see which ships can carry most compared to their hull mass:
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ok, i'll bite.

Volume mass ratios are quite easy to establish. It is already done for container shipping, where 1 TEU is either ~28T(some sources say 22 per ISO standard) or ~33m³, whichever is bigger. And those shipping containers are in stations, you can see them as you dock. So it's pretty much 1T equals 1 m³, which makes sense, as most of what humans use is water-based (1T water = 1m³) but there are always those pesky air gaps. Also most technological load-bearing stuff will have density of around 0.8 T/m³ (even plastics tend to follow, as they need more material/less air inside). Platinium is densest at 21.45 T/m³ (as RL Osmium and Iridium are not in game) Gold is 19.3 T/m³ . Current "winner" in terms of "max volume per ton" are apples, with dens of 0,24 T/m³ -> 4.17 m³/T . rule of thumb: anything denser than water (think sink or swim) would have volume lesser than 1m³ per Ton..

Oh, and BTW, average density for in-game material is 2,94 T/m³, while vol/mass is 1,11 m³/T

Place to start with : http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/density-solids-d_1265.html
and http://www.anval.net/downloads/bulk density chart.pdf

Follows Vol/mass data for market materials at room temperature (estimated and sometimess pure guesstimate, see notes):

DENS T/m³m³/TNotes/RL equivalent
Explosives1,820,5494505495RDX
Hydrogen Fuel0,61,6666666667Metastable metallic hydrogen
Mineral Oil0,81,25
Pesticides1,7040,5868544601Glyphosate
Clothing1,3140,7610350076Cotton fiber 1.56, Wool 1.314
Consumer Technology1,650,6060606061Iphone
Dom.Appliances0,254Used coffe maker. Applances with large internal empty volumes will skew that one.
Algae0,254
Animal Meat0,71,4285714286Used pork, beef tend to be ~0.9. More fat, less density
Coffee0,432,3255813953Roasted
Fish0,71,4285714286lowball a bit, again meat/fat ratio. Freeze-dried products 0.3 g/cm3
Food Cartridges0,33,3333333333MRE's
Fruit and Vegetables0,244,1666666667Apples. Density proper is 0,74, but you loose lots for air gaps
Grain0,791,2658227848Wheat
Synthetic Meat0,71,4285714286
Sugar0,881,1363636364
Tea0,4332,3094688222
Polymers0,8551,1695906433Polypropylene
Semiconductors11Silicone itself is 2.32 but there is packaging effect
Superconductors11No idea about those, but current one are ceramics, so over 1 for sure
Beer1,10,9090909091
Liquor0,941,0638297872
Narcotics0,263,8461538462herb variety brick
Tobacco0,323,125
Wine0,9751,0256410256
Atmospheric Processors0,71,4285714286GE
Crop Harvesters0,71,4285714286GE
Marine Equipment0,71,4285714286GE
Microbial Furnaces0,71,4285714286GE
Mineral Extractors0,71,4285714286GE
Power Generators0,71,4285714286GE
Water Purifiers0,71,4285714286GE
Agri-Medicines1,40,7142857143GE
Basic Medicines1,40,7142857143Aspirin
Combat Stabilisers1,40,7142857143GE
Performance Enchanfcers1,40,7142857143GE
Progenitor Cells1,40,7142857143GE
Aluminium2,70,3703703704
Beryllium1,850,5405405405
Cobalt8,90,1123595506
Copper8,960,1116071429
Gallium5,910,1692047377
Gold19,30,0518134715
Indium7,310,1367989056
Lithium0,5341,872659176
Palladium12,0230,0831739167
Platinium21,450,0466200466
Silver10,490,0953288847
Tantalum16,690,0599161174
Titanium4,5060,2219263205
Uranium19,10,0523560209
Bauxite1,280,78125
Bertrandite2,590,3861003861
Coltan8,20,1219512195
Gallite4,20,2380952381
Indite4,670,2141327623
Lepidolite2,840,3521126761
Rutile4,250,2352941176
Uranite3,150,3174603175
Advanced Catalysers0,71,4285714286GE
Animal Monitors0,71,4285714286GE
Aquaponic Systems0,71,4285714286GE
Auto-Fabricators0,71,4285714286GE
Bioreducing Lichen0,71,4285714286GE
Computer Components0,71,4285714286GE
H.E. Suits0,71,4285714286GE
Land Enrichment System0,71,4285714286GE
Resonating Separators0,71,4285714286GE
Robotics0,71,4285714286GE
Leather0,861,1627906977Dry
Natural Fabrics1,3140,7610350076Wool
Synthetic Fabrics1,150,8695652174nylon
Biowaste0,61,6666666667typical low for food by-products, can be in 0,8, garden compost 0,15 - 0,35
Scrap1,10,9090909091
Toxic Waste110,0909090909Not really sure what to put here, so I've put Uranium oxide used in current plants
Battle weapons1,050,9523809524Based on Namer APC, though say M113 clocks at 0,35
Non-Lethal Weapons11GE
Personal weapons2,470,4048582996Glock 17, loaded
Reactive Armour20,5Metal+explosives, so seems like fair estimate
 
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Bonus image:
wireframe Cobra and Lakon 9 with max cargo and fuel.

Wireframe_cobra_l9_can46.jpg

Used 4.6 m³ can, (1.43 m dia, 3.1 m h) so it would fit least dense trade material (per last post)

What is this humoungous space inside Lakon used for ?
 
ok, i'll bite.

Volume mass ratios are quite easy to establish. It is already done for container shipping, where 1 TEU is either ~28T(some sources say 22 per ISO standard) or ~33m³, whichever is bigger. And those shipping containers are in stations, you can see them as you dock. So it's pretty much 1T equals 1 m³, which makes sense, as most of what humans use is water-based (1T water = 1m³) but there are always those pesky air gaps. Also most technological load-bearing stuff will have density of around 0.8 T/m³ (even plastics tend to follow, as they need more material/less air inside). Platinium is densest at 21.45 T/m³ (as RL Osmium and Iridium are not in game) Gold is 19.3 T/m³ . Current "winner" in terms of "max volume per ton" are apples, with dens of 0,24 T/m³ -> 4.17 m³/T . rule of thumb: anything denser than water (think sink or swim) would have volume lesser than 1m³ per Ton..

Thanks for that, I won't quote it all to save space but it was an interesting read. I had absolutely no idea that 1t of water was 1m^3, so thanks for that piece of info. I've always had problems visualising tonnes (and gallons too, but that's another story).

What is this humoungous space inside Lakon used for ?

I can only think of Bender saying something like "screw this, I'll build my own Lakon, with space for blackjack and hookers!".
Bender_Rodriguez.png
 
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