Tnx for post,Just note:
- AMD's FidelityFX Super Resolution work with the RX 470 and RX 480 GPUs.
EDO and AMD FSR, more FPS.
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Ah yes, thanks for that, my bad, they are actually the same (Ellesmere) RX 400 GPU re-branded to (Polaris) RX 500
I'll update the OP
Aggregate CPU utilization averaged over hundreds or thousands of ms often won't reveal a CPU limitation, even if there is one.
Which does nothing to help a game that defaults to six worker threads and is primarily limited by two main render threads.
If you aren't fill rate limited, lowering resolution won't help much, and every upscaler has overhead.
I don't think tensor cores are doing what you think they are doing.
DLSS generally doesn't have lower overhead (it probably has a bit more on most modern hardware), but it has better quality for a given input resolution, largely because it can use temporal (previous frames), rather than just spatial, data.
AMD making something to leverage a proprietary NVIDIA feature wouldn't make much sense, even if NVIDIA were to allow it. Nor does Frontier allocating considerably more resources to integrate DLSS, which would be limited to the last two generations of higher-end NVIDIA parts.
FSR may be a stopgap, but at least it's an inexpensive, broadly applicable, one.
Regardless, judging from your experience, DLSS wouldn't help you much either.
FSR is no good for VR. It turns everything into a shimmering mess, and breaks the Odyssey on-foot 2D screen.
Ok at this point i think i should expand on FSR.
As i said it renders a lower resolution and then up-scales that image to your screen resolution output.
The thing with that is if you're wanting to run 1080P FSR that's a 720P rendered image up-scaled to 1080P.
720P is a low resolution, there isn't much detail in it, edges are very jaggy, FSR cannot work with something that isn't there, so if the detail isn't there it cannot enhance it. You can't make an omelet without eggs.
To be frank its crap for 1080P up-scaling because what its doing is taking a bad image and exaggerating its badness.
To use it to solve a problem of performance that may be related to the game, rather than your hardwares lack of grunt is absolutely not what FSR was designed for.
Its purpose is if your hardware cannot get to 1440P or 4K but is fine at 1080P or 1440P FSR will give you that leg up.
It works extremely well at 4K up-scaled, you cannot tell the difference between Native 4K and 4K FSR because it has lots of detail to work with.
1440P with FSR enabled is about as low as you should go. Don't use it because you can't get 1080P running at reasonable FPS.
As i said it renders a lower resolution and then up-scales that image to your screen resolution output.
The thing with that is if you're wanting to run 1080P FSR that's a 720P rendered image up-scaled to 1080P.
720P is a low resolution, there isn't much detail in it, edges are very jaggy, FSR cannot work with something that isn't there, so if the detail isn't there it cannot enhance it. You can't make an omelet without eggs.
To be frank its crap for 1080P up-scaling because what its doing is taking a bad image and exaggerating its badness.
To use it to solve a problem of performance that may be related to the game, rather than your hardwares lack of grunt is absolutely not what FSR was designed for.
Its purpose is if your hardware cannot get to 1440P or 4K but is fine at 1080P or 1440P FSR will give you that leg up.
It works extremely well at 4K up-scaled, you cannot tell the difference between Native 4K and 4K FSR because it has lots of detail to work with.
1440P with FSR enabled is about as low as you should go. Don't use it because you can't get 1080P running at reasonable FPS.
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Same, the lower resolution is more jarring to me than the frame rate when out exploring. Might switch it on if I go back to my alt before it’s fixed properly.
That would imply that if this is the way the developers are going with the so called optimisation progress, odyssey will only be playable on 2k capable hardware
greatly exceeding their advisory minimum spec.
greatly exceeding their advisory minimum spec.
I don't think they've done much to address underlying performance issues, not yet. So far they are just gathering all the low hanging fruit and slapping on some bandages. Hopefully this is to buy them some time for a more in-depth overhaul, but I'm not sure such a feat will meet their expense/return threshold.
Ditto. Went back to using CAS via Reshade. Prefer the sharper image at 1080p with a 1060. It's worth losing a few fps.
Just tested Odyssey with FSR on my best gaming system (which has been tied up for the last week as I tune and retest all my F/V curves and memory timings)...
Performance scales almost perfectly linearly with internal render resolution unless I'm CPU limited (and I'm not at 4k, thanks partly to Frontier's updates and some of my AppConfig.xml tweaks, but mostly due to having a best-of-three 5800X sample tuned to the best of my ability). With Ultra Quality FSR at 4k Ultra+ the game is quite smooth on the surface.
FSR Ultra is both slightly faster and better looking than the standard 0.75x SS...at 3840*2160 output resolution.
Main issue is the poor quality of the AA options available with ED...even SMAA (which is considerably better than nothing and the best overall AA mode the game has) doesn't adequately mitigate jaggies. The higher resolution helps, but the aliasing is the main reason even Ultra Quality FSR is clearly not up to native quality.
That said, I think I'll continue to use it, as it's considerably more viable than any other combination of settings. Not everyone has a 2.6GHz 6800 XT on hand though.
Uploading a quick 4k60 video comparison between native 4k, FSR, and standard 0.75 SS (the closest preset to FSR resolution and performance). Will link to it sometime afterhell freezes over Youtube finishes conversion.
This looks like you are completely CPU limited.
Render latency is falling because it takes the GPU less time to draw your frames, which in turn results in lower GPU utilization as the GPU can sit idle for more cycles between each frame it's sent. This is also well reflected in GPU power/temperature.
CPU utilization stays the same because the game is mostly limited by a handful of cores. If you look at per-core utilization with an application that can poll fast enough (every 100ms will do it) I am positive you'll see frequent spikes to near 100% utilization bouning between 2-4 of those logical cores.
I can't say for certain as I don't use GeForce experience on any of my NVIDIA parts, but I highly doubt it.
Performance scales almost perfectly linearly with internal render resolution unless I'm CPU limited (and I'm not at 4k, thanks partly to Frontier's updates and some of my AppConfig.xml tweaks, but mostly due to having a best-of-three 5800X sample tuned to the best of my ability). With Ultra Quality FSR at 4k Ultra+ the game is quite smooth on the surface.
FSR Ultra is both slightly faster and better looking than the standard 0.75x SS...at 3840*2160 output resolution.
Main issue is the poor quality of the AA options available with ED...even SMAA (which is considerably better than nothing and the best overall AA mode the game has) doesn't adequately mitigate jaggies. The higher resolution helps, but the aliasing is the main reason even Ultra Quality FSR is clearly not up to native quality.
That said, I think I'll continue to use it, as it's considerably more viable than any other combination of settings. Not everyone has a 2.6GHz 6800 XT on hand though.
Uploading a quick 4k60 video comparison between native 4k, FSR, and standard 0.75 SS (the closest preset to FSR resolution and performance). Will link to it sometime after
This looks like you are completely CPU limited.
Render latency is falling because it takes the GPU less time to draw your frames, which in turn results in lower GPU utilization as the GPU can sit idle for more cycles between each frame it's sent. This is also well reflected in GPU power/temperature.
CPU utilization stays the same because the game is mostly limited by a handful of cores. If you look at per-core utilization with an application that can poll fast enough (every 100ms will do it) I am positive you'll see frequent spikes to near 100% utilization bouning between 2-4 of those logical cores.
I can't say for certain as I don't use GeForce experience on any of my NVIDIA parts, but I highly doubt it.
I've spent a few hours playing EDO with FSR, taking screenshots and analyzing them. What I found is that FSR does an amazing job reconstructing edges that are anti-aliased in the input image, regardless of resolution. In the output image these edges look like they were rendered in native resolution and not upscaled at all.
However, EDO produces plenty of jagged edges, especially around specular reflections, no matter which AA mode is used. FSR fails to detect these edges and merely upscales the jaggies.
Bottom line: For FSR to work well, we need better anti-aliasing.
It is a nice workaround for the time being but it is NOT an adequate replacement for proper game optimization. A game should not require FSR just to meet the expected performance for even above-recommended spec hardware setups. Both DLSS and FSR generally are meant for improving framerates for GPUs that are struggling to meet minimum spec, or for counteracting the big FPS hit you get from enabling ray tracing. It is NOT meant for supplementing game optimization to meet performance standards overall.
There is also a really bad artefacting issue ongoing with FSR Enabled:
FSR ON
FSR OFF
But apparently everybody is so focused on the on foot gameplay that is not even being noticed.
There is also a really bad artefacting issue ongoing with FSR Enabled:
FSR ON
FSR OFF
But apparently everybody is so focused on the on foot gameplay that is not even being noticed.
This looks a lot like what used to happen with reduced FX quality.
I'll see if I can duplicate it.
I was wondering if it would help VR (or not). So we’ve put that doubt to rest,thanks.
As Morbad mentioned, I think it’s an existing bug:
…are the issue reports relating to VR. It looks like FSR is highlighting the issue because it’s dropping the resolution down to where artefacts occur.