EDSM isn't exactly accurate, is it :(

Piratescribe

Piratescribe
Mr T said:
There are roughly 400 billion systems in Elite Dangerous. Even if everyone playing the game explored the galaxy 24 x 7 there wouldn't be enough time in our lifetime to explore every system. As Frillop says the density of systems increases as you get closer to the core so there are a lot more systems out that way.
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I suppose it's not just quantity but also access. I went out about 500LY from my starting system (not much I know) and that's taken me a goodly amount of time, and everything I hit has already been explored. Possibly finding something unexplored doesn't seem like something that can be done in a Hauler even with an A-rated FSD.
.... heh, but I guess if it were easy, it wouldn't be fun :)
 

Piratescribe

Piratescribe
Hawk of Battle said:
What people are trying to say is that, players have been everywhere, but since there's so many stars in the game, most of them have never been visited. For instance, there are heatmaps that show where players have been over the time the game has been running, which show what looks like every square inch of the galaxy being visited, but the galaxy is so densely packed that in actual fact, it's still almost nothing.

This site shows what I mean. They track the movement of ships and every region of the galaxy has been visited countless times, but still barely a fraction of a % on the 400 billion stars have been directly jumped to and catalogued.
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What's discouraging tho, is today I made the intent to try to get out to unexplored areas... I went as away from the Bubble as I could and visited over 50 systems today, including some non-KGMFOAM stars thinking I was being clever, examining the System Map of each one, and every one of them had "First Discovered By" credits for every object in the system. Not a one had anything that wasn't already explored.
I just would have hoped in hours and scores of systems I'd find ONE planet that wasn't explored already :/
shrug I'll just keep going farther and farther each day til I hit something....
 

Mr T

Mr T
Piratescribe said:
I suppose it's not just quantity but also access. I went out about 500LY from my starting system (not much I know) and that's taken me a goodly amount of time, and everything I hit has already been explored. Possibly finding something unexplored doesn't seem like something that can be done in a Hauler even with an A-rated FSD.
.... heh, but I guess if it were easy, it wouldn't be fun :)
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All I'll say is keep going and don't be discouraged and there's absolutely nothing wrong with exploring in a Hauler. People have gone around the galaxy it in their starting sidewinder before.
 

varonica

varonica
Piratescribe said:
OK so, sorry :( I'm both newbie and dense.... When I look in the System Map in game, and see every body has a "First Discovered by: Name", that's the result of someone Discovery Scanning the system at least? ("Honking" it?) But... you have to actually fly near to... what exactly? Which is different from Surface Scanning (which gets its own "First Mapped By: Name" in the system map, right?

Sorry :( what can I /should I look for to see if some worlds in a system have not been flown near enough, despite having a "First Discovered By" credit in the System Map?

Thank you for all the help and feedback!
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Ok. Before the FSS to get a name on a planet or moon you actually had to get close, around 5ls close. With the FSS you honk, which discovers and tags all the stars, but not the planets and moons, you need to focus in on them in the FSS. If you do that to all to bodies you will get discovered by tags on all the bodies. To map the bodies you have to fly close and use the surface probes to probulate the planet or moon. So low value planets and moons will often be discovered but not mapped, high value will often be mapped.

Now, with the old system, pre FSS, you could honk and see all the bodies and stars, but this didn't put discovered by tags on them. So out there you could potentially find systems where the star hasn't been "discovered" but the ELW has been "discovered".

When you jump into a system now, if a body has been previously been discovered, either using the old DSS or the new FSS it will appear on the system map without any honk, so if you open the system map and see planets and moons these have been discovered already, but not necessarily mapped.

Because of the two different systems it can be confusing to new players who don't realise the system has changed the way we explore.
 

Piratescribe

Piratescribe
varonica said:
Ok. Before the FSS to get a name on a planet or moon you actually had to get close, around 5ls close. With the FSS you honk, which discovers and tags all the stars, but not the planets and moons, you need to focus in on them in the FSS. If you do that to all to bodies you will get discovered by tags on all the bodies. To map the bodies you have to fly close and use the surface probes to probulate the planet or moon. So low value planets and moons will often be discovered but not mapped, high value will often be mapped.

Now, with the old system, pre FSS, you could honk and see all the bodies and stars, but this didn't put discovered by tags on them. So out there you could potentially find systems where the star hasn't been "discovered" but the ELW has been "discovered".

When you jump into a system now, if a body has been previously been discovered, either using the old DSS or the new FSS it will appear on the system map without any honk, so if you open the system map and see planets and moons these have been discovered already, but not necessarily mapped.

Because of the two different systems it can be confusing to new players who don't realise the system has changed the way we explore.
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:oops: I'm sure you're explaining it well, but I'm a combination too new and too slow to really grok what you're saying. :(
I guess what I'm going to do is keep heading in the same direction farther every day, "honking" and FSSing systems that aren't already totally "X/X Found" until I finally reach one that puts my tag in one of the system's object's "First Discovered By" credits :)
 

varonica

varonica
Piratescribe said:
:oops: I'm sure you're explaining it well, but I'm a combination too new and too slow to really grok what you're saying. :(
I guess what I'm going to do is keep heading in the same direction farther every day, "honking" and FSSing systems that aren't already totally "X/X Found" until I finally reach one that puts my tag in one of the system's object's "First Discovered By" credits :)
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To be honest, it is indeed complicated and confusing so that doesn't surprise me, it's what happens when major changes are made to the way we do things, old hands understand easily because they were there and used the old system, but it is difficult to explain it in such a way it is easy for people who never used it to grasp. But you are doing the right thing, but one piece of advice, if you see an object out there, a nebula say, keep in mind everyone else since the game was released has seen the same thing, and has probably been there, so direct routes between stuff like nebula are heavily trafficked hence the dark lines on the map. Don't head for any of those and you will hit new stuff much faster!
 

Piratescribe

Piratescribe
varonica said:
[...] but one piece of advice, if you see an object out there, a nebula say, keep in mind everyone else since the game was released has seen the same thing, and has probably been there, so direct routes between stuff like nebula are heavily trafficked hence the dark lines on the map. Don't head for any of those and you will hit new stuff much faster!
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nods Yep, sussed that, tis why I intentionally pointed myself at an utterly unremarkable direction trying to hit non-KGMFOAM stars, thinking I'd have the best chance that way heh :)
Thanks for all the time and replies and help!
 

Sapyx

Sapyx
While it is possible to find Unexplored systems within 1000 LY of Sol - a year ago I found an Unexplored Earth-like just 800 LY from Sol - it's by no means common or normal. You've got to go out to 2000 LY before it becomes "common". Out beyond 5000 LY, it's finding another Explored system that becomes scarce - unless, of course, you're traveling on a heavily trafficked route.

As for discrepancies between EDSM and the in-game discovery records, it's because EDSM does not have access to any actual in-game list of discovered planets. There is no such in-game database. Plus, it works both ways. You can get systems that are "discovered" in EDSM, but are Untagged in-game. This might happen if an explorer using EDSM is still out on an ultra-long-haul exploration mission and hasn't come back to port to sell their data yet - in which case, you'd be unwittingly "stealing" their Tags. Or, it could be the case that the EDSM-user blew up and lost all their data, and has never gone back to re-Tag it. This is because EDSM records discoveries in real time, as they are made (unless you've switched that function off in EDSM), whereas the game only records "First Discovered" when the data is sold.

There's no way, either in game or via third parties, to be absolutely sure you're the "first person" to ever see an Unexplored system - all you know for sure is that no-one else has ever sold the data for it yet.
 
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