General / Off-Topic Electric cars are stupid.

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos
Iskariot said:
Perhaps that twanger is just trying to do his best to reduce his so called footprint (buzzword). Or perhaps he only bought the car, because he likes the model.
If you get upset about something so insignificant, then perhaps there is an other underlying cause?
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Maybe it’s that all the streets round here are closed down for the annual bicycle race, meaning walking into town is a logistic nightmare Maybe it’s because the supporters of the said bike race were out cheering and whooping this morning at 7.30am waking me up. All this on top of the fact that I have 2 weeks off work and the woman in the flat above has chosen this time to rip out her bathroom & kitchen, meaning for the next 6 weeks I have a building site above my head from 8am to 6pm, Mon-Sat.

It’s most likely that I finally got pack hounds and I’m still crap at combat.
 

Screemonster

Screemonster
XloubellXX said:
I’m 50 and I have sort of let it go. I understand/accept the futility of life and even embrace it. I completely agree with all the points you’ve made it’s just sometimes, this morning, I wake up, look out the window and see that twanger over the road smugly cleaning his hybrid car and I boil over.
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Is he smugly cleaning his car, or is he merely.. yanno... cleaning his car? You can't read some sort of smug flag-waving into everything everyone does. Looking at people innocuously going about their day and mind-reading some sort of malice into absolutely everything they do is a good way to just make yourself very angry very fast.
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
XloubellXX said:
Maybe it’s that all the streets round here are closed down for the annual bicycle race, meaning walking into town is a logistic nightmare Maybe it’s because the supporters of the said bike race were out cheering and whooping this morning at 7.30am waking me up. All this on top of the fact that I have 2 weeks off work and the woman in the flat above has chosen this time to rip out her bathroom & kitchen, meaning for the next 6 weeks I have a building site above my head from 8am to 6pm, Mon-Sat.

It’s most likely that I finally got pack hounds and I’m still crap at combat.
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Ah, I can understand now. That is tough.

This sunday morning I had to go to my new downstairs neighbor at 7:15am because he was playing loud reggae music. He always acts very surprised when I ring his doorbell, even though I have been ringing at his doorbell several times now in the 6 months he has been living here, and the police has already visited trice. He also has a violent and psychotic, drugs using brother, who has been committed in a psychiatric asylum in the past, and who now regularly walks shouting and cursing around the house, banging on windows, kicking doors etc. etc.

Somehow this influences my mood too. Weird isn't it?
 

WeComeInPeace

WeComeInPeace
@XloubellXX
Anytime anyone buys something, the manufacturing and distribution has used energy and other non renewable resources. That includes the materials needed for a new kitchen, but it also includes the people doing the labor. A human being sitting still produces roughly one ton of CO2 per year, and that number increases once the human starts doing work. Just by sitting still your body uses roughly 100 W.

It's difficult to comprehend the scale of the influence humans have on the biosphere, which we ourselves are a part of, but one example is that we have domesticated 96% of all mammals on the planet. The animals that we learned about as kids, like girafs, bears, lions, deer, etc. only account for 4% today. In the time from the Roman Empire until today, removing forrest to make room for agriculture has halved the total amount of biomass. Humans have reduced the number of living cells on the planet to one half in 2000 years. If anyone thinks that can continue, they are, as Kenneth Boulding famously said "Either a madman or an economist".

Regarding ELVs: The only battery packs that will give an ELV a reasonable range per charge are all using lithium. A 50 kWh battery pack currently need around 10 kg of lithium. According to USGS, we have 14 millions tonnes (2018) of reserve. That is 14 billion kg, or 14/7.8=1.8 kg per capita globally. Just to replace the current fossil driven cars with 50 kWh ELVs would use 10 million tonnes of lithium, leaving 4 million tonnes for trucks, tractors, harvesters etc. Those numbers simply doesn't add up. When Tesla were asked whether lithium shortage was a problem, they answered that cobalt was more of a concern, and I guess every journalist on the planet were satisfied with that answer?

Still everyone believe, that buying organic farmed meat and driving a Tesla will solve everything. Wrong, they are...
 

Siobhan

Siobhan
Screemonster said:
Is he smugly cleaning his car, or is he merely.. yanno... cleaning his car? You can't read some sort of smug flag-waving into everything everyone does. Looking at people innocuously going about their day and mind-reading some sort of malice into absolutely everything they do is a good way to just make yourself very angry very fast.
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With some people you can, it shows right on their faces. I mean, have you never met a vegan?
 

Screemonster

Screemonster
Siobhan said:
With some people you can, it shows right on their faces. I mean, have you never met a vegan?
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Several actually, some that I only found out about because it was my turn to get lunch. The "look at how vegan I am" social media crowd tend to introduce sample bias - the only vegans you know of are the annoying kind, because the non-annoying ones don't broadcast the fact, therefore 100% of the vegans you know are annoying vegans.
 

WeComeInPeace

WeComeInPeace
Oh, btw. We are also using an alarmingly increasing amount of energy for computers, smartphones and the internet, so now I'll shut down my PC and go and do some manual labor :)
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
TL;DR, so answer this one question: Are you a climate change denier or Amish? I can't quite tell what your angle is here.
 

TiberiusDuval

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Nuclear power is good power source for producing energy needs of electric cars and whole society. Wind&solar are fluctuating very low density power sources needing lots of reserve back up (and that is usually fossil derived). My country is adding up its nuclear generation capacity. One big plant is finally nearing production status, and second one got building permit. Waste problem? Nuclear produces small amount of waste in very dense packaging. It it going to encapsulated and buried 500 meters deep in granite bedrock. There it will stay for eons, undisturbed and after some thousands of years essentially harmless.
 

lysan

lysan
I like electric cars or any vessel that is powered by electricity. Not from a green Point of View, more from an independant Point of View, you can easily make electricity
producing fuel is more complicated or require a different infrastructure.

So from an independent viewpoint i love electric cars, boats, and airplanes.
 

TiberiusDuval

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WeComeInPeace said:
Regarding ELVs: The only battery packs that will give an ELV a reasonable range per charge are all using lithium. A 50 kWh battery pack currently need around 10 kg of lithium. According to USGS, we have 14 millions tonnes (2018) of reserve. That is 14 billion kg, or 14/7.8=1.8 kg per capita globally. Just to replace the current fossil driven cars with 50 kWh ELVs would use 10 million tonnes of lithium, leaving 4 million tonnes for trucks, tractors, harvesters etc. Those numbers simply doesn't add up. When Tesla were asked whether lithium shortage was a problem, they answered that cobalt was more of a concern, and I guess every journalist on the planet were satisfied with that answer?

Still everyone believe, that buying organic farmed meat and driving a Tesla will solve everything. Wrong, they are...
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And iron making was projected to use up all forests in Great Britain at 18th century. It did not happen. They invented way to purify coal and use it as fuel. Meaning there is no reason to believe lithium battery is going to be the ultimate battery technology for ever. As long as people invent new ways of doing things, system works.
 
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